Discussion in 'other anti-virus software' started by zfactor, Sep 30, 2014.
IMO ESET and bloat can't be used in same sentence...
and Marcos told me once that ESET will never follow other AVs in adding bloat and extra useless features such as Cloud Backup, dropbox integration, system optimizer, etc.
I hope that remains true
Well, it was a "general" comment about AV's. I see people complaining about Avast for example, and I've also checked out 360 Total Security, I just hate all the extra processes running on my system. And then there's also this Cloud AV stuff, which causes privacy issues. I'm glad that I'm not into AV's. The last time I used one was Avira AntiVir back in 2006, THAT was truly a non-bloated AV. Of course they had to ruin it.
This cloud 'stuff' is what will save AV's. Without Cloud Validation, Machine Learning, and Cloud Fingerprinting AV's are going to fall too far behind, and be behind the curve. We are already seeing evidence of this today. The privacy concern with a cloud AV shouldn't be any greater than it is with ANY AV, cloud or otherwise - it's all the same data being sent, just in a different fashion. Granted many have useless added features, but those can usually be disabled. Norton 2015 has a 'few' added things, but nothing over the top. Same with Trend 2015. Many AV companies seem to be moving toward pushing enterprise solutions into the consumer grade products, rather than having 2 distinct products with asymmetrical features and detection's. Again, Trend and Norton are moving to a consolidation of Enterprise and Consumer. Enterprise versions are known for having little to no bloat, so this likely means many companies will begin dropping the useless bloat out to maintain continuity. The days of SuperAV with 90 tools seems to be drawing to a close.
im one of those who has been with eset since the v2 days. but ill be honest i am finding v8 to be a bit heavy on the systems now. not nearly as bad as some others but its feeling heavier than v7 did for some reason.
Same here, been with ESET NOD32 since v2 which was the lightest version and my favorite. Then v3 and v4 were ok! V5 started breaking the lightness factor......v6 was a bit worse but ok, v7 ws the heaviest for me......v8 is lighter than v7 in *my* experience. I hope we go back to the lightest NOD32 v2 then I'll be the happiest
Please make a post in our official forum at forum.eset.com so that we can assist you with determining the cause. Although v2 could be light, it had limitations and lacked features that are needed to cope with myriads of malware variants that emerge on a daily basis.
have not tried AV V 8 yet but I never noticed any drag when using V7
v8 smart security on my laptop and it seems less heavy than 7 to me.
Would this product be suitable for about 15 users in a small business or would the endpoint security be more appropriate? The budget I would be allowed for this will be somewhat limited.
Most of the businesses I visit to repair computers for I see they switched from Kaspersky to NOD32 due to issues with Kaspersky either not booting or heavy slow down of the machines.
I didn't see them using Endpoint though, they had a normal large user number license. Maybe because they're small.
Good to know. That is exactly the problem I am having today. I have kept an ESET license in some for or another since v2.5. I have just never tried to roll it out at work. I may have to do some testing with a couple of users to see how they take to it.
Do that, I'm sure they'll thank you as their PC will feel noticably faster and no bugs or quirks with other software. Like when I had KIS or KAV installed, my NERO Platinum Suite 2014 / 2015 would never complete a disc burn successfully. You have to really know your system well to know what's causing it otherwise a regular user would've just said Nero doesn't work when it was Kaspersky's fault. Everytime I feel I wanna give them another chance, I take a look at the user problems on their forums and it's scary man. Updates not working, the app not starting on startup, X app not working well, internet slowdown, the list goes on. Try it and let us know what you think
PS: Please ensure you don't uninstall normally but use the Kaspersky Products Removal Tool to properly remove it with all its traces.
Yes, from a technical point of view, AV's are of course getting more powerful. But because of the bloat and privacy issues, they are currently just not worth it, at least not when you're an "expert user". I long back to the days when AV's were not that heavy, with all kinds of extra processes running on the system. And just look at all the negative comments about the new Avast and Kaspersky, they are just getting too complex now. I'll stick to HIPS combined with VirusTotal.
Being a so-called 'expert' isn't going to save you from some of the threats we see, I assure you of that. Ideally, any 'expert' will be running a UTM solution, which would then lesson the requirement (not totally) of having a desktop AV. Then browse within a VM, and then you don't need an AV. HIPS aren't as bulletproof as you think.
Anti-Virus is a distant 4th place in malware prevention priorities:
1. Keep your systems patched
2. Don't run as administrator
3. Use the web filter to block known malware and compromised sites (UTM stuffs)
4. (finally)Up-to-date AV
Do 1-3, and #4 barely even matters.
To protect a home-user PC, no UTM is needed. And HIPS can be close to bulletproof if you know how to use them. Actually, with HIPS I mean tools like: behavior blockers/anti-exploit/sandbox and so on. This is all stuff that have been implemented into most AV's in the last 6 years. But IMO stand alone tools are better. To stay on topic, on my new machine, I will take ESET Smart Security for a test-drive to see if it's truly one of the lightest AV's on the market.
Can you substantiate this? My numbers, and some studies I am following seem to indicate a UTM is becoming almost a requirement in the home environment. Which is why companies are moving to UTM or UTM-Like solutions (Sitecom, ASUS, and the upcoming Netgear) for example. It makes far far more sense to kill the threats at the gateway when possible. Part of the reason is the varied number of devices, and varied requirements for protecting them. A UTM is going to protect your SmartTV, Roku, Intelligent Dishwasher, Mobile phone (all of which are hackable), while offering a generalized gateway defense for your PC's. The argument can be made that it is almost suicide to not run a UTM in a busy home environment these days.
imo i find that over the top and not really needed. and i dont want to always be browsing in a vm. i setup my routers firewall set up my av and firewall in windows and i have only one time many years ago ever been infected. even for some very small business' im its overkill.
I agree. At the moment UTM in "normal" home environment is a little too much and far from needed.
It's clear that you're fascinated with UTM's and there's nothing wrong with that. But like I said before, when it comes to securing home PC's (not a complete network), you don't need it. In the last 10 years I've managed to keep my PC virus free with tools like HIPS/white-listing/firewall/sandboxing. On my new machine, I will add "anti-exploit". With this approach you can even stay safe on not "fully patched" machines.
That's the point, it requires quite a bit of time, money, and effort to secure machines not behind a UTM vs ones behind a UTM. This may work for 1-2 devices, but as the number of devices continues to increase, and the number+sophistication of threats increase, a UTM at the gateway is the answer. ASUS and Sitecom do this at the consumer level, but I would be willing to bet in a few years all of the 'better' brands will implement UTM for home solutions. (Netgear may be doing it by the end of the year) We are already seeing Smart-TV's, and Smart-Appliances being hacked, and the only easy method to secure those is with a UTM. HitmanPro is ahead of the curve on this without a doubt.
Also the cost savings. Tossing an Opensource/Free UTM on an old PC in bridge mode behind a cheap consumer router will solve almost all of your issues. $50 PC off of Craigslist works wonders for this. Then you can drop everything but a basic AV, and save quite a lot of money, and free yourself up. A home environment is PERFECT for a UTM. Right now we are seeing a huge number of infection/exploits/hacks on our business clients that transition FROM the home with their devices, then transition back to work when they bring them in the next day. I just killed a sophisticate piece of malware on Friday that installed while they were home, and our UTM dropped an alert with a block the second it was plugged back in at work. I suspect many security software/av companies are sort of dreading when UTM's become widespread for consumers. The market for anything other than a basicAV will shrink substantially - that's what most Enterprise Solution AV's are - a basic AV for the most part.
Also, what does a UTM have to do with a VM?
Not sure if I'm missing something but a UTM solution sounds like an easier way to protect all of the computers in my household. I do not believe most computer users can or want to deal with HIPS or virtualization. I don't think my family members are willing to deal with anything more complicated than an AV straight out of the box, no configuration. Plus they wouldn't have the ability to disable UTM because it's "getting in the way".
I had the chance to flavour Eset AV for a couple of days before my regular image restore,
I must say it's a very good peace of security software. No wonder it has a place of choice here at Wilders.
sure it would be appropriate. If you get the Endpoint Security for your business, you can run the full-blown on your machines that needs it and the ESET Endpoint Antivirus on those you want to keep simple protection on (servers perhaps). If you're in the US and need a quote, reach out to us or any of the other US resellers who hang out here.
Thanks. I assume trials are available for the Endpoint Security?