Driver or fix needed for Dell Inspiron 5675...

Discussion in 'hardware' started by fredlaso, Nov 11, 2017 at 5:17 PM.

  1. fredlaso

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    Hello,

    Just was browsing your Forum, great topics, lots of good info. New user here...

    Could someone please assist me?
    I just purchased a new PC -Desktop Dell Inspiron 5675. Took me long time to save up money...Purchased it at Best Buy, too late to return it. All PC's there come with Windows 10 OEM preinstalled.

    Purchased Windows 8.1 pro 64bit, fresh installed it, however I run into a problem when running the updates. Message showed up that I can not run updates for this PC because Microsoft only supports windows 10 for AMD Ryzen 7 1700 Eight-Core Processor.

    Talked to Dell support and they said that PC can only run Windows 10.

    Read an article someplace that there is a unofficial driver or fix but lost the link. Do not want windows 10 but have no other option...? If someone could assist me if there is a solution for this problem, I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you in advance. Fred
     
  2. roger_m

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    The best option would be to go back to Windows 10. It's a better operating system anyway.
     
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    With Intel it's the same kinda. 6th gen is the last that'll support W7. Gen 7 & up it's impossible. It's M$ colluding with hardware manufacturers.
     
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    A mate replaced some components, MB, RAM and 7th gen CPU. (old CPU was 3rd gen) We put his old SSD back in. It contained Win10, Win7 and maybe WinXP (can't recall). We certainly got Win7 working with the new CPU. I was surprised Win7 worked.
     
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    Not funny how this isn't illegal.
     
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  7. Bill_Bright

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    Why should it be illegal? It is common for hardware to support only the latest software and vice versa. It would be like saying it should be illegal for a car engine to require premium gas. That happens a lot too.

    Legacy support is not good for the masses - especially for what has essentially become an obscure operating system like Windows 8.1 which has less than 6 percent of the market share.

    BTW, W8.1 is much more like W10 than different.
     
  8. TairikuOkami

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    Mainstream Support for 8.1 ends on January 9, 2018. It is not like it is an old hardware, it is the latest actually, which should be supported.
    MS does not obey even its own rules. Free upgrade did not work, so it pushes the broken 10 any way it can. I hope someone will sue them.

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  9. pandlouk

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    @fredlaso Welcome to the forums.
    AMD never released drivers for windows 8.x for Ryzen. They have drivers only for win 10 64bit, win 7 64bit and linux.

    Panagiotis
     
  10. Bill_Bright

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    Whoa! That has nothing to do with the the hardware makers. It is up to the hardware makers to develop compatible drivers, not Microsoft. If Dell has chosen not to waste money they have no chance of recovering, that is on Dell, not Microsoft. If consumers chose hardware designed for one thing, then decide to modify that product to do things it was not designed to do, that's on the consumer, not the hardware maker or Microsoft.

    That's clearly wrong too.

    It is clear you are blindly biased against Microsoft so you blame Microsoft even when they are not to blame. That's sad.
     
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    The drivers are already there (CPU working just fine, as for additional features, people know they will not work on 8.1)
    We are talking about Windows updates, they obviously work, since once the ban is circumvented, they install as usually.
     
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    If the hardware (whether it be Dell, the motherboard maker, chipset maker, CPU maker, etc.) is not designed to support W8.x in the first place, it does not matter what happens with Windows Updates. A fresh install of Windows installs generic drivers. After that, it is up to the hardware makers, not Microsoft, to ensure compatibility. I stand by what I said.

    Consumers need to do their homework before spending money. If the buyer told the salesperson BEFORE BUYING he intended to downgrade to a legacy OS and the salesperson said no problem, then it is on Best Buy. But none of this is on Microsoft despite your desires to blame them.
     
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    M$ calls the shots.

    Intel, AMD & the end manufacturers are software whipped.
     
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    Thank you all for the info. I guess I am stuck with windows 10 then. Yes, that is what I was afraid of, all new Intel and AMD chips - M$ calls the shots. Funny when I was at Best Buy, not a single desktop nor laptop would support windows 7 or windows 8.1 pro. Just Windows 10. Perhaps Linux? Anyhow, thank you all again. Fred
     
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    It does appear a decision was made jointly by the CPU companies and MS that their latest hardware would break existing OS's and only work with W10. This is unprecedented and in years gone by it probably would have resulted in an investigation into what kind of behind the scenes collusion is going on but today, it seems to be anything goes.
     
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    **** disgusting. When I recount decades past I can't believe events of today. I'm gobsmacked everyday.
     
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    None of that is true. This is how falsehoods get started and repeated. The truth is, nothing is stopping you from using an alternative OS, like Linux. But if you want to use Windows, Windows 10 is the only one supported. In the future, future CPUs will only be supported by the current Windows at that time (if the user wants to run Windows). This is exactly the same as just about every other consumer electronics device out there - it is designed to work with a specific OS.

    Microsoft has a say but they certainly do not call the shots. Microsoft knows very well that they need new computers to sell for Microsoft to survive, especially with there being alternatives available - so it is a cooperative effort.

    For those here who are so convinced this is all Microsoft, you clearly don't understand UEFI or the driving force(s) behind UEFI.

    Why do you focus all your hate at Microsoft? That is clearly unfair, prejudicial and unwarranted. Hardware makers want consumers to get the most out of their hardware (and securely too). For this reason, it is common for hardware to be optimized for a specific OS. Cell phones, Chromebook tablets and all sorts of devices have been doing this for years. To suggest it is the Microsoft exclusively driving this is simply ridiculous.

    Windows 10 and Skylake processors were ‘designed together,’ says Intel’s Kirk Skaugen Why are you not blaming Intel too?

    Microsoft is sick and tired of being blamed for Windows failing to do what it was never designed to do. And I don't blame them.

    Users try to install Windows 10 on XP and Vista era hardware and it fails, who gets blamed? Microsoft.
    Hardware makers refuse to develop compatible drivers for obsolete, out of production hardware and who gets blamed? Microsoft
    Users try to install the 8 year old W7 operating system on brand new hardware and it fails to work properly, who gets blamed? Microsoft.
    Users disable features and change defaults and Windows breaks or gets infected, who gets blamed? Microsoft.
    The list goes on and on. ​

    If you don't like the fact you need to run the latest Windows with the latest hardware, buy Apple or put Linux on it. It is that simple.
     
  18. RockLobster

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    How can you say none of that is true unless you are the CEO of AMD, Intel or Microsoft.
    There is no possible way that AMD and Intel would develop new CPU architecture that does not support any existing OS without the agreement of the worlds biggest OS manufacturer.

    The reason MS gets blamed all the time is because they do what they are accused of all the time.

    As for other electronic device manufacturers they do get blamed for things they do such as not providing their users with OS security updates etc.
     
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    @bb It is disgusting. It's my hardware. Cooperative effort no, if a manufacturer said no guess what. M$ smiles & sends them cake.
     
  20. Bill_Bright

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    Oh? But you can say the other is true without being one of those CEOs? :rolleyes:

    And the point is, consumers still have other options. You said it will only work with Windows 10. Not true. You can run Linux.
    That's the problem. NO THEY DON'T!!!!! Are they 100% innocent? Of course not. They have indeed done plenty to warrant lots of criticism over many of their schemes and policies. But too many people, including many in the IT press seeking headlines over their names, have chosen exaggerate and even falsify claims to blame MS for any and everything.

    Security is a big area. Badguys put us in this mess because users were click happy and failed to keep their OS current, and Norton, McAfee and the others failed to stop the malware. But who got blamed relentlessly year after year? Microsoft.

    With W10, MS got blamed and is still getting blamed over and over again for spying on us and violating our privacy when they are but a minor player compared to Google, our ISPs, and especially our cell phone carriers. For example, Microsoft does not care about our real names, street addresses, passwords or bank accounts. In fact, W10 is the best OS yet at protecting that information from getting into the hands of badguys.
    So what? Does that mean you blame Ford for not making their 2017 engines work in your 1997 Ford car? And while it may be your hardware, software does not work that way. We do NOT own the software, we own a license to use it. And if we choose to not agree to the terms, we don't have to buy or use it.
     
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    The reason for this has to do with CPU architecture. The old kernels do not have all the right components to support the new processor extensions. For example, NUMA wasn't well supported in old OS (like SUSE 9 or Windows XP). Then you have SMP and a whole host of new capabilities related to memory management, threading and such that don't exist in old kernels. So you can run win7/8 on these new processors, but you will potentially see performance issues or weird problems in some situations. This is why only the newer operating systems are supported. This is also true for Linux kernels (you need say at least 4.x branch to run on ryzen or whatever).

    Mrk
     
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    And this certainly is not unprecedented. In fact, it is a common fact of personal computing history going way back to CP/M, DOS, Windows 3.x, Windows 95/98/SE and XP. In fact one of the big reasons XP became so vulnerable is because the corporate world (Microsoft's biggest client base) insisted XP support legacy hardware and software so these companies would not have to invest fortunes (again) retooling all their computers and automated systems (again).

    But what happened? First, NO ONE predicted how explosive the growth of broadband to the home would become. This led to the subsequent and explosive proliferation of bad guys and their attacks. And who got blamed? Microsoft.

    It is simply preposterous to assume Microsoft drives the hardware industry. It really is, for the most part, the other way around. 64-bit is a perfect example. 64-bit capability has been supported by the hardware industry many years before the software industry finally embraced it. USB, SATA, wifi, PCIe, and more are all hardware driven advances that legacy operating systems could not support (at least not without 3rd party support).

    That is not to say in many cases, software does not drive hardware development, because that is often true too - especially in the hand-held computing industry.

    So it is often a "chicken or the egg" scenario, a "mutual symbiotic relationship" where one depends on the other, not where one dominates and calls the shots for the other.

    Last, it is not just the biggest software developer and the biggest hardware maker setting the various industry standards. This is especially true when you consider Apple is now worth more than Microsoft and Google combined.
     
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    Call it mutual symbiotic relationship.
    I called it collusion.
    The argument is semantic.
     
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    :( Come on! It is not collusion. Collusion implies deceit, criminal intent, and fraud. Nothing here is illegal and no party is trying to deceive another.
     
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    It can Imply fraud and criminal intent it also can mean what I was pertaining to in my post.
    I highlighted this in bold.

    Collusion
    n. where two persons (or business entities through their officers or other employees) enter into a deceitful agreement, usually secret, to defraud and/or gain an unfair advantage over a third party, competitors, consumers or those with whom they are negotiating. Collusion can include secret price or wage fixing, secret rebates, or pretending to be independent of each other when actually conspiring together for their joint ends.
     
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