diskeeper and perfectdisk

Discussion in 'backup, imaging & disk mgmt' started by lodore, Aug 10, 2007.

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  1. lodore

    lodore Registered Member

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    Hello,
    it seems that raxco is right about diskeeper.
    after defragging with diskeeper files get fragmented very quickly afterwards.
    this seems to be because diskeeper doesnt defragment free space very well.
    meaning once the files are defragged they will be recreated as fragmented files agains since there isnt one a big enough block for the new files.
    ive got diskeeper set on reccomended defrag and ticked the box for defrag big files effectifly.
    no wonder diskeeper made invisitasking, its needed to keep defraggmenting the files that have to be placed in seprate places on the disc.
    it would be better if it defragmented the free space.
    but it doesnt seem diskeeper can do that. any ideas?
    lodore
     
  2. WSFuser

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    ...switch defraggers?
     
  3. twl845

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    I think we installed DK about the same time. I ran it in real time for a while and noticed what you just described. I later uninstalled it, keeping the setup folders in case, and installed PerfectDisk 8. PD has it all over DK. I have it do a defrag on a 3 week schedule, whether it needs it or not. It's really nice.:)
     
  4. lodore

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    well i could do but that costs money.
    since soon i will have two computers i would need two licenses.
    im gonna email raxco and see if they can give me a good deal.
    lodore
     
  5. lodore

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    hello twl845,
    im glad you noticed the same thing.
    i feel diskeeper is just being stupid.
    it fragments faster than it can be defragged.
    technically your just wasting cpu and making the drive last less amount of time.
    lodore
     
  6. NGRhodes

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    Have you tested perfect disk - might not be the defragger, might be the sheer amount of files that are getting modified/created.

    You do realise that the big file option in diskeeper leaves files in big chunks because the fragments will be big enough to not loose performance (vs a small file fragmented), I suggest you uncheck it and see if things improve.

    Finally are you noticing any performance loss ?
     
  7. lodore

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    hello nickr,
    i do notice some proformance hit.
    somtimes my computer shows the hourglass and takes a while to load.
    its only a few seconds thou.
    it seems diskeeper cant defrag all the files in realtime faster enough.
    i dont think using opera is gonna be moderfing to many files.
    ive unticked that large files option.
    lodore
     
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    Maybe your machine is not getting enough idle time for the background defrag to run (enough) ?
     
  9. lodore

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    its possible it isnt getting enough idle time to defrag.
    but i cant really do much about that.
    but the fact is the opera files fragment so it defrags them.
    and not long after that they fragment again.
    if free space was defrgmented the opera files could be created in one place meaning it wont fragment.
    but it just keeps fragmenting mean there isnt enough space for them.
    lodore
     
  10. Long View

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    You could try using Returnil. If you defrag before setting protection you are almost perfectly defragmented every time you boot. when I tested I found Perfect Disk better than diskeeper but diskeeper with Returnil would still be very good.
     
  11. eniqmah

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    Here's something interesting to consider: In the demo flash for Deepfreeze, the dude defrags his drives, runs the system in frozen mode for a while to create fragmentation, then reboot and shows that there are no fragmention. Guess what? Diskeeper+Deepfreeze won't do that for ya. Which one to blame?
     
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    Sorry I don't follow. are you saying that if you defragment, then freeze, then reboot that the drive is fragmented again ?

    Using Perfect Disk 8 I boot to figures of 0.00% Fragmented, Number 9 excess fragments 23. Executive Software gives slightly higher figures but in practice they both produce fragmented drives. Even the act of booting with result in a small, but insignificant, amount of fragmentation.
     
  13. twl845

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    I don't think we have to be too worried about a small amount of fragmenting. I have my PD8 scheduled to do a defrag on every 3rd Tuesday, and after three weeks it usually really doesn't need it. If I click analyze, it will usually tell me I don't need to defrag, but I do it anyway for various reasons like after I have deleted an app and then installed a new app etc. I really like PD8. Even the GUI is better than DK. Everything is right there to access, where as I had to rely on my memory to find things in DK.:)
     
  14. lodore

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    Hello twl,
    the only thing i found with perfectdisk is it couldnt see my removable drives even thou i ticked the option to defrag removable drives.
    i wanted to defrag my mp3 player.
    diskeeper sees my mp3 player and can defrag it.
    lodore
     
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    Interesting. I haven't defragged removable drives, so I can't comment. My only removable drive is the external one where I keep my C drive snapshots and disk images, which are a mirror of my C drive which is defragged.
     
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    I noticed this with PD8 that is does not see some of my usb drives - PD7 was ok.
     
  17. EASTER

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    I also discovered some not so desirable behavior with my copy of DiskKeeper and finally after some weeks just stored it away, likely for good.

    PD is good but i find Ultimate Defrag much more efficient on all my drives. Still have more UD methods to brush up on though. LoL There are quite a few you know.
     
  18. Carver

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    I tried Ultimate Defrag for 30 days. I found the defrags only lasted about 8 days before the HDs had 10-12% fragmentation, with Perfect Disk it took 3-4 weeks to get 7-8% fragmentation. I tested my HDs degree of fragmentation with Perfect Disk then with Ultimate Defrag, the degree of fragmentation was always higher with Ultimate Defrag. Same HD, the defraggers tested one after another.
     
  19. Long View

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    For me the Real Ultimate Defrag is Perfect Disk with DeepFreeze or Returnil - Perfectly Fragmented disks at every reboot. Only one method - put everything where it belongs and then run frozen.
     
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    Looks like a happy medium to me.

    Defrag that silver platter, sort everything that needs it, and drop it into the minus zero realm. :D
     
  21. eniqmah

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    This is what I mean...After making a perfectly defraged drive and freezing it, the disk STILL gets fragmented after about a week of use. To whatever degree, it DOES get fragmented. I've tested it numerous times.
     
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    eniqmah which combination are you using ? I'm trying DeepFreeze6 and Perfect Disk 8 and Returnil and Perfect Disk 8 - can't make up my mind which is better.
    I gave up on Diskeeper because of fragmentation issues.
     
  23. eniqmah

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    DeepFreeze6 and Diskeeper 11. Soon to ditch Diskeeper.
     
  24. maddawgz

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    Just got Perfect Disc the pc runs like a BMW now ;)
     
  25. Kilia

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    Sounds good..think I'll try it as well. :)
     
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