'Deep fakes': How to know what's true in the fake-Obama video era

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  1. Krusty

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    http://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2018-03-04/deep-fakes-and-obama-videos/9490614
     
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    It's all over. The stupid & closed minded have won. Can you just wait till I get off the planet before bringing back slavery & debtors prisons? You laugh & I so pray you're right.
     
  3. mirimir

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    Basically, you can only trust video that's signed, with an verifiable authentication trail.
     
  4. RockLobster

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    The stupid win by statistical probability. By the fact of averages, 50% of the population have below average IQ. Add to them all those smart ones who have something to gain by the stupid winning and you have a guarenteed stupid majority.
     
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    I agrre completely
     
  6. Joxx

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    You don't need to alter digitally. Look at the recent so-called White Helmets videos from Syria; they're obvious, infantile acting pieces. They're so bad I smiled sadly. And yet Western audiences swallow them uncritically.
    30 years of audiovisual dumbing down produced results.
     
  7. RockLobster

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    The ISIS ones where they cut people's head off were clearly fake.
     
  8. TairikuOkami

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    I saw a live feed video being altered (with 2-3 sec delay) in 2000, like adding/removing objects, people. I would not trust any video these days.
     
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    State University of New York researchers have trained an AI to detect 'Deepfakes'
    Researchers to the rescue
    June 15, 2018

    https://www.techspot.com/news/75116-researchers-have-created-ai-can-detect-deepfakes.html
    "In Ictu Oculi: Exposing AI Generated Fake Face Videos by Detecting Eye Blinking": https://arxiv.org/pdf/1806.02877.pdf
     
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    Faked Video Could End Justice by Twitter Mob
    June 18, 2018
    https://www.wired.com/story/faked-video-could-end-justice-by-twitter-mob/
     
  11. mirimir

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    I doubt that it'll end justice. But we'll need standards for authenticating source and chain of custody. We already have the necessary tools. For example, they're used in Debian package development and management. Stuff like collective signatures, using Shamir's Secret Sharing, and so on. Also tools developed for DRM. Such as watermarks and so on.

    It won't be privacy-friendly, except in limited ways, with considerable care. But it can be reliably authenticated, from source to user.
     
  12. xxJackxx

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    All Obama video is fake. He was never real. He was CGI all along... :argh:
     
  13. mood

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    Truepic raises $8M to expose Deepfakes, verify photos for Reddit
    June 20, 2018
    https://techcrunch.com/2018/06/20/detect-deepfake/
     
  14. RockLobster

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    So no one can create a truepic that applies the watermark AFTER the image has been edited?
     
  15. brians08

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    Yep, eventually someone will get the code and create a program to apply the watermark to any image.
    Digital signatures and trusted sources are the only way to go, but how do we know which sources to trust?
     
  16. mirimir

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    We won't :(
     
  17. mood

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    What are deepfakes? How and why they work
    July 31, 2018
    https://www.csoonline.com/article/3293002/fraud/what-are-deepfakes-how-and-why-they-work.html
     
  18. mirimir

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    Basically, shocking BS and outright lies generate tons more buzz than accurate reporting and analysis :(
     
  19. mood

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    The Defense Department has produced the first tools for catching deepfakes
    Fake video clips made with artificial intelligence can also be spotted using AI—but this may be the beginning of an arms race.
    August 07, 2018

    https://www.technologyreview.com/s/...duced-the-first-tools-for-catching-deepfakes/
     
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    This tech (scarily) lets video change reality
    September 11, 2018
    https://techcrunch.com/2018/09/11/this-tech-scarily-lets-video-change-reality/
     
  22. mirimir

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    The site requires WebRTC, so I don't see anything.

    But there's an example video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CugXYrV1MDg

    If I could run this thing locally, I could actually have a webcam :) And look like whoever/whatever I want.

    If it did a total enough job, anyway ;)
     
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    U.S. lawmakers call for deepfakes counter measures
    September 13, 2018
    https://venturebeat.com/2018/09/13/u-s-lawmakers-call-for-deepfakes-counter-measures/
    letter: https://schiff.house.gov/download/letter-to-dni-national-security-threats-of-deep-fakes
     
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    Deepfake pics and videos set off Facebook’s fake news detector
    https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/20...-videos-set-off-facebooks-fake-news-detector/
     
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