Data Experts: Why Privacy Is An Unreasonable Expectation [PSFK 2014]

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  1. lotuseclat79

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    Data Experts: Why Privacy Is An Unreasonable Expectation [PSFK 2014].

    It would seem that these so-called data experts would rather believe the meme that 'All your data is mine' rather than 'We (consumers) don't want to be partners with you!'.

    -- Tom
     
  2. Nebulus

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    IMO, privacy is a perfectly reasonable expectation - but it's funny how our so called "partners" (i.e. brands, big data firms, or even government) are trying very hard to convince us otherwise.
     
  3. noone_particular

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    Another "Resistance is Futile" article.
     
  4. mirimir

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    When I buy something, they typically know that I bought it. That's all that they need to know. Or at least, they know that someone bought it ;)
     
  5. Reality

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    How might they do that when people have said point blank NO? The only avenues left are by surreptitious means or out right force. Those who drawl and salivate after such as facebook are right in their hands already.
    Privacy is a necessity for a normal and healthy life. To say it is an unnecessary expectation sounds as despotic as it is.
     
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    Save for armed law enforcement, I'd like to see them try to force the issue. As long as cash is legal tender for all debts, public and private, they'll have no records of anything that I purchase.
     
  7. mirimir

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    If you buy from other people, how do you know what records they keep?
     
  8. TheWindBringeth

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    Facial recognition at the counter where you hand over cash?
     
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    I don't buy much. It's rare that a store asks me for ID. When they ask for a phone number, they get a fake. I can't remember the last time an individual wanted actual ID.

    As for facial recognition, if they want to waste time and energy matching camera images to me, they're welcome to try. They'll waste time and money to learn nothing of value.
     
  10. Reality

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    I don't think many of us are going to argue with arms. By out right force I meant things like making cash illegal. That is closer than what people think and its getting harder and harder to use cash without penalty. Soon you wont be able to buy or sell without having a chip in you.
     
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    I highly doubt that this will happen any time soon. Please keep in mind that there are enough countries in this world where using a card or paying online are exceptions.
     
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    Yeah, make it ALL seem normal & the sheep will "buy" it Without question/s. Thank goodness we're not All as dumb or couldn't care less !
     
  13. Reality

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    Neb, I dont put dates on things but the evidence is everywhere that this is not too far off at all. It would be extremely naive to discard the possibility that the means are already in place for this to happen. Just looking at one key player, DARPA leaves you in no doubt.. It would be a small matter for them to stockpile the necessary devices to accomplish this. They could spit out millions of grain sized microchips in very short order. Theyve probably already done it and they're just waiting in the wings for "other things" to line up. One thing is for sure, when they pull this off it has to be at the right time because there'll be no going back. Meanwhile heavy conditioning is the order of the day. They've been chipping animals a while now. Voluntary at 1st but now mandatory in some situations and the intention is that this will become more and more encompassing. Likewise now they're chipping humans in some situations, some voluntary, soon it'll be some by force. Very recently they started talking of chipping school kids, the elderly, others at risk and prisoners. This is outrageous. Oh yes theres benefits and of course they greatly talk it up about those to get maximum mileage out of the conditioning process to make people swallow it , just as CLone said. Thats part of the conditioning process and another part is slow controlled leaks so people, debate it, hate it, love it and all the while, above all, get used to it ....well sort of... enough to not cause an uproar to derail their plan. Then they bring in the next thing.

    As we speak the rush is on to get "countries lagging behind" all connected up and I don't necessarily mean in the way we know.. I wouldnt be at all surprised if a lot of technology will be bypassed for others who don't have computers or phones or TVs. As Ive mentioned on these boards sometime ago, theres a real sinister side to anything with "smart" in it. Smartmeters are one of the worst spy devices out. People readily accept the next thing pushed on them just like sheep to the slaughter.

    Purely financial aspects in our privacy, important as it is, is only one thing.
     
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    Well, I'm sure that some will want to be chipped, for instant payments (food, parking, etc) and protection from kidnappers. But kidnappers would just find and remove them, and use them to 1) take victim's money, and 2) create false leads :(
     
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    Some indeed (for whatever reason) are foolishly setting a precedent that human microchipping/marking/ IDing is OK. These trailblazers either know whats going on and couldnt care less, or dont know whats going on and couldnt care less either...and thus are pawns in the game. Either way they both help bring in more acceptance and all the while the push carries on touting the benefits of this insidious technology. Im sure mirimir, someone with your knowledge would not find it difficult to realize, this thing (mark/chip /ID) whatever form it finally takes, wont be removable. It will be unique to you. It may be far far smaller than a grain of rice and if nano machines are real, they'll have no trouble making them inaccessible, unless they cut your head and arms off.
     
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    Well, people already have implants of various sorts, and I'm sure that many of them transmit IDs in addition to crucial parameters, such as heart rate, blood pressure etc. And some will eventually have implants that provide Internet access, add backup memory, handle various sorts of background processing, and so on.

    So we'll have the same sorts of privacy issues that we do now, except they'll be much more personal ;)
     
  17. Reality

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    Exactly. Other reasons aside, the privacy breech will so total as to be despotic.
     
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    True, but if even a few percent of "us" (potentially billions of Internet denizens) were to implement P2P open source defenses and countermeasures, we could overwhelm any state- or corporate-based threat. That's what I say, anyway ;)
     
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    Well, I just saw on our news this very thing. A woman had an implant to monitor her heart and some sort of backup drive which recorded data if she held it up to her chest, the data which could be uploaded across the net to the med team, or she could even use it in an emergency. Its on the back of such wonderful tech feats such as this, more sinister things sneak in.

    The information I draw from tells me once this human IDing is implemented its reach will be total (global), unstoppable and irreversible. Dissent will be possible but costly.
     
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    Tagging/tracking/profiling/datamining can be done, and is being done, without embedding devices *in* people. A credit card, an electronic payment account, a smartphone purchasing app, any hardware and/or software with a unique identifier built into it and which supports wired|wireless networking and/or proximity detection, etc will do the trick. I think the devices *in* people scenario is really just a special case of the more general case.

    BTW, did they happen to say whether the heart monitor's network features establish secure links with the patient's doctor's private computers or whether it is one of those "we can snoop on your patient's data too, as well as manipulate the device in your patient" type of designs?
     
  21. Reality

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    TheWindBringeth no I didnt catch anything like that. When things come over the lamestream media you get a VERY watered down version, just short clips about 1 or 2 mins. Anyway there's been so many data breaches lately in my neck of the woods they probably want to give us a rest for a while, reminding us of how incompetent they are likely to be.

    As for "external devices" (like phones, cards, computers and dare I say it, even finger prints which can be destroyed ) they can be: lost, stolen, damaged etc.....
    The end game is a unique ID for every person and one that cant be removed. Its about ultimate control. There's a phenomenal push heralding all the good sides to modern tech, but there's a dark sinister side. These other things (cards etc) are just stepping stones to get people accustomed for what "they" really have in mind.
     
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