Comodo Internet Security 3.10.101801.529 Released

Discussion in 'other anti-malware software' started by 3xist, Jul 2, 2009.

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  1. 3xist

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    Nope.

    I'm not sure what you don't understand?
    Search Engine = Ask
    Toolbar = Comodo

    Comodo listened to the users and REMOVED the Ask Toolbar. That's it. HopSurf Toolbar was implemented, And acts a Social Authentication Tool.

    Cheers,
    Josh
     
  2. Wildest

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    Ok.
    Function of Ask Toolbar was to direct users to use Ask service, so this was User -> Ask Toolbar -> Ask Service.
    Function of this "HopSurf" Toolbar appears to be to direct users to use Ask service, or User -> HopSurf Toolbar -> Ask Service, so isn't the end result the same?
    I can get rid of my male cook and get a female cook. Undoubtedly they are completely different, but the end result is that they are both there to cook a steak!
     
  3. 3xist

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    Guys...

    This isn't about money! this isn't about tactics to get some money, Comodo make money selling Digital Certificates and in return give end users free security! Its a respectful business model and win-win for COMODO and end users. HopSurf IS for a good cause... Authenticating websites. I hope you guys read up on it, If MORE people use it, Then people have access to more popular websites, rated web sites, without going through PAGES of google web pages! It’s a way to discover new and relevant sites on Internet, To be able to figure out which of the billions of pages/sites is good/bad/liked/disliked it is very difficult to just rely on a company with people to check them all. This is where Social Authentication comes into equation. The more you rate sites, etc, the better.

    This is only the start of it, it will develop. NOT for the $$.

    Cheers,
    Josh
     
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  4. rdsu

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    Inconvenience is the way you treat your users and others that wants to know the truth!

    I will try to reply for you my very difficult answers:
    Comodo have the toolbar opt-in by default because they know that majority of users will not care, or don't understand, about that, so this is the best way to get money very easy, and since IE is the most used browser...

    This is why Comodo did a very bad step, because the users want to install a security program, and then they will also install junk without knowing...
    Is this expected from a security program? Of course not.

    Comodo created a free program with the slogan "Creating Trust Online" and other thing from its CEO, getting the trust of a lot of users, and now take the advantage of that to show its real intentions...

    Why you guys can't go right to the point!?
     
  5. Someone

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    I find the statements of Comodo saying "we're not in it for the money" and "we're giving away free security because we want the internet to be a safer place" to be rather absurd. It is obvious that Comodo is giving away free security software to advertise their paid services, and the connections with Ask clearly shows Comodo is in it for money.
     
  6. andyman35

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    Why are people still debating the Ask toolbar when 3xist has clearly stated multiple times that it's no longer a part of CIS,does the guy have a dishonest face or something?
     
  7. 3xist

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    Guys...

    Please... I am trying my best here to help people and at the same time I have tired to address the ASK toolbar issue and the Comodo giving certs to malware domain issue and explained it multiple times before! I have explained HopSurf and it's use, I explained why the Comodo giving certs to malware domain issues, and I explained that Ask Toolbar is no longer apart of it.

    People still are posting mis-leading comments and half cocked ones... Like Some One for example:

    Again, No Fact to back this up.

    You know what... a Friend of mine said to me this: "responsible people should make as much money as possible, because they will do responsible things with it" - This is what COMODO are doing. Comodo follow a responsible business model in which Comodo is trying to make sure everyone is happy with providing free service to end users while Comodo still benefiting from it. Users are happy cos its free, Comodo is happy cos they get brand awareness and more business from enterprise and additional services that end users might buy from COMODO is also great. The more Comodo make the more Comodo share, cos they do follow a responsible biz model. It's not in everyones interest or to understand this, and Comodo including my self do respect that.

    AGAIN, No fact to back this up!

    COMODO got rid of the Ask Toolbar! They listened to users and developed there OWN Toolbar, period! ONLY the Search Engine is based on Ask. Please also read the above.

    I can EXPLAIN all three points again for anyone:
    Ask Toolbar
    Comodo giving certs to malware domains
    Hop Surf

    Make a pick... Because I am here to help and try to help users who are trying/using CIS feel comfortable without misleading comments.

    Cheers,
    Josh
     
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  8. Einsturzende

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    may I ask, why Ask search engine, why not Google, it have better searching capabilities or why we cant choose search engine? why any search engine when we can choose one with browser, why toolbar with searching capabilities when all modern browsers already have it?
    I have no issue when I was using Comodo to use Ask and to some amount of money goes to Comodo, but since you say that is not a case, why to bother with any of engines?
     
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  9. Wildest

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    Interesting also is the logic that the replacement of the Ask Toolbar with the Comodo-developed HopSurf Toolbar in this release is proof that Comodo "listened" to its users, even though ultimately they both do the same thing, which is to drive search traffic to Ask's servers.

    I agree, rdsu, at issue is a process whereby the potential naiveté of the end-user is deliberately targeted by a security vendor by using an opt-in-by-default option, so that said vendor might gain financially.
     
  10. firzen771

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    lol i love how much 3xist is defending this toolbar which is still using the ASK search engine which in turn is accomplishing the exact same bs as the previous toolbar, more searches coming from the "new" toolbar, more money goes their way, its the EXACT same complete **** from the previous and Comodo is trying to give it a new pretty face, dont try to bs people who aren't that stupid to see this. if ur going to defend something, dont be so ignorant to think Comodo are the holy saints.

    and 2nd, why the hell wuld people intentionally be installing CIS and WANT a stupid social networking toolbar, thats completely useless, theyre are sooo many INDIVIDUAL APPS MEANT FOR THAT TASK ALONE that people CHOOSE to download for the purpose, nobody wants this crappy social toolbar which adds a vulnerability in a piece of software meant to protect them.

    it irritates me soo much when people try to cover up the ugly side of an issue, normally this topic wuldnt be as heated but some people insist on trying to yell out complete garbage about this toolbar being good and making perfect sense to include in this software when it clearly doesn't and everyone can see that.

    and yet again i haven't heard a response to my question about some sort of privacy agreement for the DNS service? is Comodo not giving one so that way they dont have any restriction on what they can do with w/e info they get?
     
  11. rdsu

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  12. smage

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    The toolbar issue seems inevitable these days, even Norton toolbar uses the ASK search engine if I am not mistaken and the last time I tried Zonealarm(last year), I found that it bundled the ASK toolbar with it. When my Mcafee site advisor updated itself, it silently installed the Yahoo toolbar with it. Users should simply opt out and the problem is solved, if they still do not like the product or find it too complicated, they should simply uninstall it and use an alternative product. Common sense is the best defence these days.
     
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  13. Makav3l1

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    If you don't like Comodo Internet Security, don't want to use it, or don't have anything helpful to users experiencing problems running it then STOP posting in this thread. It is that simple.
     
  14. Wildest

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    Hmm...

    About this Ask Toolbar:
    Let's say that Kaspersky put an opt-in-by-default checkbox in their 30 day trial of KIS that said,
    "Install Ask Toolbar and receive free one-year license!" :D
    Everyone would say, "Wow, what a good deal! You can just deselect this box if you don't want free one year license, but even if you miss it, you can just uninstall this toolbar later if you want and still have this great one year license!"

    About this SSL Certs:
    The company that makes my washing machine also makes guidance systems for nuclear missiles.
    I might believe nuclear missiles are immoral and inhumane weapons, but this alone will not stop me from using their washing machine.

    Currently, IMO neither of these issues are valid reasons to stop recommending CIS completely.
     
  15. Wildest

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    Friend, if it were not for the healthy and open debate prior, I would not have been able to come to the conclusion posted previously. ;)
    It is still on topic to discuss the "merits" of this HopSurf Toolbar and its true reason for being, since it became available in this release.
     
  16. aigle

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    Ask tool bar is bad. There is no doubt. And it's helpful to discuss this so that users can know what's going on and the developers wil know what people don't like.
     
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    I agree, but it would be better to divide the 3D, or to start another 3D about the others CIS 3.10 issues, features, comments. I'm a bit bored to open this 3D seeing new posts and to find only about Ask tool bar - that I don't like, I already said it, but it seems that fundamentalism is the owner of this 3D, so I repeat it :D .
     
  18. aigle

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    Agree with you but to be honest it's painful to see security software makers behaving like this. I just can't stop my self.
     
  19. Hiker

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    I don't see the problem. What makes it so bado_O

    If you don't want the toolbar, don't install it. It's similar to the Yahoo toolbar that CCleaner tries to push on you at every upgrade. Simply uncheck the box.
     
  20. Wildest

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    I have solution to this problem.
    Since CIS is comparable to KIS, Comodo should have a version to match it.
    Then make both that and the current available for download.

    These would be:
    1) 30 day trial with a $30-$40 license, and no Ask search engine in the build, (to compare with KIS).
    2) Free, with opt-in-by-default at instalation Ask search engine.
    :D
     
  21. dw426

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    Guys, they aren't going to change no matter how much moaning and groaning goes on, especially if it goes on at a forum other than their own. I don't like it either and I'm NOT going to use it. If any of you are familiar with the Firefox addon "Stumbleupon", then you may agree with me that this "Hopsurf" thing does NOT belong in a security application, opt-in/out or otherwise, it just doesn't.

    I could go on about other dislikes, but I'm not going to bother with that. The simple fact is, no matter how stupid it is, Comodo is on a toolbar fix right now and they don't seem to be willing to change, so arguing about it over and over and going after each others throats isn't going to do a damned thing.
     
  22. aigle

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    This is the big problem indeed. :)
     
  23. dw426

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    Hiker, people went nuts over the ASK bar due to past activities by the company. However, they've supposedly changed, but, like always, your past can come back to haunt you. Another story for another time though. The real question is why in a security application? I could get over the ASK thing, nobody has yet to really prove they are as "evil" as they used to be, but something like Hopsurf does NOT belong there, IMHO.
     
  24. elapsed

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    When you have other companies bringing out superior protection for free you need new features to justify selecting your product over the other one.
     
  25. dw426

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    Hehe, they messed up because that "feature" justifies me NOT using them ;)
     
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