Comodo Aquires BoClean!

Discussion in 'other anti-trojan software' started by Mele20, Mar 28, 2007.

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  1. strangequark

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    Really!!
     
  3. Mele20

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    That doesn't change anything. The issue is still there and very real. If you guys don't understand I'm tired of trying to explain it. The legal concept is not hard grasp. I don't understand the confusion among so many people.

    My point still stands: BoClean has lost its protection under NY law as a private club. That means when, not if, malware writers decide to go after it that Melih has to cough up a lot of dough to fight them. I think he probably will once...after that..I have serious doubts and I think we are likely to see an AdAware pulled on the users and most users won't even know what hit them as we didn't for a long while with AdAware. I'd feel much better if it was Sunbelt that had bought BoClean.

    Further, why is Kevin writing about it? It was Nancy's ballgame and she is the one to answer the current questions but she is staying silent...why?
     
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    I can't comment on the rest of your post but I do remember Kevin saying that Nancy was done with software and the industry, which is why it would seem that she has no more involvement with BOClean at all.
     
  5. Woody777

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    I downloaded the version of comodo/Boclean that was on the forums at Comodo. It works fine no problems> I would like to thank all who combined to make this fine security tool available. Why all this talk about an obscure court case that some distributor was using so that they could continue selling netbus. Comodo is now in charge of this companys legal matters. I don't think Melih is loseing any sleep over this. He has lawyers, He's undoubtedly been sued a few times by other companys for some reason or the other. Lawsuits are just part of the business of running a security company. ~Off topic comments removed - Ron~
     
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    I think this interesting post was overlooked.
     
  7. mwb1100

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    I think that this is a simple matter of you believing that the 'private club' claim was all that was protecting BOClean/PSC. I think that it has been made quite clear here and in other forums that the private club claim was only a small part (maybe not even a significant part) of whatever protection from lawsuits that PSC had. It's simply not as important as you seem to believe.

    Are you really saying that Kevin's take on this isn't authoritative enough for you?!
     
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    I think that the aquisition of BoClean will be a "sensitive-topic" for some for quite a while!!! AVG's purchase of Ewido still fires up debate after a year...
     
  9. JimmyD

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    Dude, you are really losing me here. In a previous post you wrote:

    "Through out all of this the most important question has never been answered and pointedly ignored by Kevin.

    I don't think it can in the long run and I feel it very telling that there has been NO answer to this question from Comodo or Kevin."


    So, you initially wondered why Kevin and Comodo had not commented on the court ruling. I then pointed out posts where they both made statements about it. NOW, you question why Kevin is even writing about it and you have moved on to target Nancy. Exactly what are your motives? You never did explain your grudge against Comodo & Melih and now it seems that it's moved on to Kevin and soon to Nancy. Your agenda seems to be quite simple. Attack Comodo and all those involved. Why? Only you know and refuse to answer.
     
  10. extratime

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    I agree that Mele20 has some axe to grind. People have been extraordinarily patient and answered his queries several times over here, and also by pointing him to replies in the Comodo forum.

    If he chooses to ignore the responses and keep bashing Melih/Comodo/Kevin then I think it is clear that he has a hidden agenda.

    It is a free tool (at the moment) so why complain. Nobody is forcing anybody to use it.

    Why keep talking about hypothetical legal threats?

    And if the discussion is only about hypotheticals why talk about just BoClean. Surely other anti-malware providers could be faced with the same future threats.
     
  11. strangequark

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    I agree, debate is a good thing an essential thing, if the rules of debate are followed ................. but venting one's spleen has nothing to do with debate.

    you can be sure if she wasn't through with it before she would be after some of the stuff flying around here.
     
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    Yes, I'm sure. I know the McAleaveys to be pure of heart and strong of will. :)

    As for Mele20, I also find it strange that she appears to be unfairly biased against Comodo. I think she bases the future of BOClean on the current performance of Comodo AntiVirus, which hasn't been all that good for the time being (though I'm sure it will improve from here on out). So she is of the belief that:

    1) Comodo agreed to purchase BOClean because they badly needed the technology and not because they wanted to save the product (thus the "Comodo destroying BOclean theory")

    2) Comodo does not care about BOClean and will ditch it within a few years (Thus this whole controversy about the "private club")

    3) The McAleaveys are sellouts who sold their future and their heart to the "devil" called Comodo (This questioning the lack of statements from Kevin and the inactivity of Nancy, i.e. she probably thinks they are enjoying a beer happily after they've got what they wanted).

    4) Comodo has neither the focus nor the skill to make any useful forward development for CAV, CPF or BOClean (Thus speaking about her experiences with Comodo Firewall and general dissent of the company as a whole).

    This sort of thinking is pessimism of the highest order and will get her next to nowhere in the long run. I suggest that Mele be more openminded, because when officials from companies make statements, they DO NOT LIE. It is only when they don't make statements that you should start doubting something. Melih himself committed to the safety of BOClean, something wrong with that? Or perhaps you don't like something about Comodo and its CEO?
     
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    ~Snip~ Off topic comment removed - Ron

    Seriously, though, she refuses to explain the reason for her hostility towards Comodo which makes her guilty of the same "lack of response" that she accuses Melih/Kevin/Nancy of. She is definitely on some type of Anti-Comodo crusade, I just wish I knew the reason for it.
     
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    My question is, and I say it with all due respect but, "Who cares." Obviously Mele20 knows something, is bothered by something, but to the rest of us, we really dont know about it, or in my case really care. Comodo owns BoClean now, it is free, and people can download it, or just leave it alone. Again, not being sarcastic but it just really doesnt matter.
     
  15. BlueZannetti

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    To all:

    Let's keep the discussion centered on Comodo BOClean, not on any of the members participating in this thread.

    Thanks in advance.

    Blue
     
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    I sure am. :) Didn't you read Kevin's remarks that he only vaguely remembers all this and never had much of a grasp of the legal facts? He posted that this was Nancy's area...all in HER hands. He did the coding...she ran the business. And I think it very telling if she has left the software business entirely now. This all just stinks...look what Melih has already pulled...releasing boclean without even telling Kevin much less ASKING Kevin's pemission. See....this is the very sort of behavior that Melih is known for and why he can't get or keep any really good employees (other than Kevin and for how long will that be)? I think Nancy has a lot better grasp of what is happening here than Kevin.

    As for the private club thing...I continue to be astounded at the lack of understanding of what that legal protection meant and I don't believe for one minute that Melih will stand up for long if the malware makers come after BoClean now. I will change my opinion only if Nancy posts and convinces me. I will believe her but not anyone else. But if I was in her shoes, I'd have left software too and it all so very sad.
     
  17. ErikAlbert

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    Since BOClean is freeware, I see alot more posts about BOClean at Wilders, than ever before or is it just me ? :D
    What freeware can do to people.
     
  18. Pedro

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    I still don't understand you. What employees has problems with Melih? How many do you know personally? Or you heard it on the streets?
    Then please answer him. Does it really matter?
    Didn't the court rule that all they had to do was make an opt out possible? Nothing to do with private club? Yes or no, and why. Quotes from the court ruling would be nice, nothing else.
     
  19. BlueZannetti

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    Mele20,

    I'm not a lawyer, on the other hand I'm not a complete neophyte when it come to commercial law.

    PSC provided adequate remedy in allowing users to disable a specific detection, that was the key item provided. Other vendors do the same with categories such as "potentially dangerous". Strip out all of extraneous linguistic gyrations, and there is no such beast as a "common carrier" antimalware program and this has nothing to do with there being no free evaluation copy.

    Now, if someone is willing to post the text of any publicly available legal opinion germane to this specific case which explicitly and clearly makes the points that you're trying to push, I'd be more than happy to read it and change my tune if appropriate.

    In the meantime, IMHO, this is a complete non-issue.

    Blue
     
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    I didn't know about this lawsuit. You can sue someone because your messages got delivered to a different folder? Does that mean that spammers can sue OE for sending their worthless drivel to the junk folder? LOL :cool: :D
     
  21. argus tuft

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    It doesn't mean they can successfully, but you can bet that, someone, somewhere is gonna try.

    I can't remember where, sorry (I think it was wilders?) but I read that a spammer was suing an anti-spam group (or members of it) for defamation!
     
  22. mercurie

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    Having no trial period too also made it a little less likely people would have reason to talk as well. I never had a problem with no trial period with $$ back offer, but believe my opinion on more postings now and for the reason mentioned, is closer to fact. ;)
     
  23. ErikAlbert

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    I agree with the no trial period, but the same happened to ShadowSurfer, when it was freeware for a short period. Suddenly everybody was talking about ShadowSurfer. :D
    A weird method to decide to use a software or not. I always look first what I can do with a software, never at the price and if I like it, I pay for it, if it isn't freeware.
    I used BOClean one day and ditched it the next day, because it's a blacklist software.
     
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    I don't ever use blacklisting software, but made an exeption for BOClean since it is so lite and effective :D
     
  25. ccsito

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    You may be referring to the anti-spam software that a poster was developing for use by email programs. When someone reaches into your pocketbook, the normal reaction is to fight back, even if it involves illegal or dubious things.
     
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