Chinese minister insists Google obey the law

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  1. siljaline

    siljaline Former Poster

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    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/dd69e680-2e06-11df-b85c-00144feabdc0.html
     
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    So obvious:
    Make no mistake about the Chinese Govts motives: they WANT Google OUT.
     
  4. siljaline

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    It is a highly complex situation since Google and many US and other Tech Firms want to stay, yet China wants these firms to obey on Chinese terms.
    This is well from over.

    See also: The ongoing political debacle between Microsoft and others in China

    See also: From: The Register
     
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    Companies need to realize they need to obey the law of the counties they operate in no matter how strongly they disagree with it. You cannot impose your beliefs on others, you have to respect them. Did we learn nothing from Star Trek?
     
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    This is one of the main reasons for Google's stance ..

    Brin Drove Google to Pull Back in China
     
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    Exactly my point, what suits one doesn't suit other, why try and force your shoe on someone else, that too in their own land.
     
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    Aww gee.....the Soviet sob story has been milked to death. Mr Google wants to be dominant, its so hypocritical coming from a company that sells private data to highest bidders, spies on all and then claims that its rightful, as I said, he has the option of declaring war on China and ask the forces to liberate it and spread democracy ;)

    Google's attitude outside US has been appalling to say the least. Years back Google maps put all the sensitive military locations of India for all to see and it took repeated requests and threats on part of Indian government to make them take it off, otoh, they blank out all sensitive locations in US as the law dictates.
     
  9. Dogbiscuit

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    Censorship laws are not imposing beliefs on someone else?
     
  10. linuxforall

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    Nope, they are just like any other laws anywhere, as a matter of fact, all laws are cumulative projection of the society. As I said, don't like the law of the land, leave, as simple as that. There can be laws, culture, beliefs which may not be to one's liking, in that case its better to leave rather than fight.
     
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    Well, what if you lived in America, and the law suddenly changed to having to pledge allegiance to a person instead of a country or flag? What if you only had government-run television because law dictated what you watched and listened to? What if your country was now run the way China, North Korea, Iran and others are run?

    I know these are extreme examples, but you open yourself up to such things when you feel that way about laws. You can leave your country of course. But, in the case of the U.S, all problems aside, it is still the most free country on earth. Where are you going to go? Canada and the UK, where in one if you're sick you may not see a doctor for months, possibly years. Or the other in which there is a camera watching you on every street corner, the government endorses your neighbors reporting you for anything the NEIGHBOR deems suspicious, among other privacy issues.

    Or, perhaps China, where you're not only censored, you can be jailed for breaking censorship laws. And, we're not talking about running a filthy website or anything major. We're talking about criticizing the government in the slightest on blogs, websites, forums. Want to find out what's going on in the world outside of your country? Good, break through the firewall, find out, and pray military police don't knock on your door.

    Perhaps you like desert locations. Let's try Iran. I hope you aren't homosexual, your stay will be quite short. You didn't bring a Bible, did you? You did? I hope you like heights and the thrill of strangulation. No Bible but not really into the Muslim thing? See the previous sentence, or, if they are in a really good mood, enjoy your stay in jail for as long as they deem fit.

    There are lots of places to go, certainly, you have options. Those options consist of massive privacy loss, terrorism, decade long wars, persecution. Take your pick. It's easy to think "laws are laws", until you give yourself a moment to think of the consequences.
     
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    I agree with you dw426. We are sweating about many things in this country - latest is threat to property rights.
    Property rights, rates under fire

    You folks in N. America, count your blessings.
     
  13. Dogbiscuit

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    China cracks down on reporting of Google conflict
     
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