Can someone please settle something for me?

Discussion in 'ten-forward' started by notageek, Mar 14, 2004.

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  1. shunned

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    Why does anyone use warez....alot of reasons have been posted and rationals....but is it possible that a major reason is simply because warez users think they can get away with it? No responsibilty for their actions..cause they never will be caught....
    Not long ago I read where some old granddad was being sued by the recording industry for illegally downloading music...an all granddad did was lovingly allow his grand children to use his computer. An his isp had a record of the downloading.
    But is it the kids using most of the warez....not very likely that many kids want to be bothered with complicated software..oh they may get a few...but the really expensive warez products no kid needs or wants.
    Unfortunately, for whatever reasons a person may choose to use...the world is what the world has become an the line between what is right and wrong has become so thin to alot of people that all they need is convince themselfs that they wont have to face the responsiblity of their actions....an they cross the line....quickly! Remember ENRON... or Ms Steward.......
    An does the idea of a trogan or virus really deter the warez user....very, very, unlikely.
    Only a person's own willingness to maintain a respectable concept of himself an not lower himself to thief...the willingness to abide by a decent set of morals....an make the right choice., only that stops warez.....but tell that to a person of low self-esteem..or one who lacks confidence...an you may receive a blank stare. By nature people are lazy minded...once convinced that their behavior is right its easier to stick to that pattern then make the effort to change...the path of least resistence...the easy way...no responsiblity
     
  2. shunned

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    P.S

    An nope..I am no angel.....have made the wrong choice more than I care to remember.........Yet, warez is wrong....
     
  3. Mr.Blaze

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    hmmmm i dont know i try not to judge others its not my thing


    people know right from wrong

    eventualy it all catchs up with them

    but im not going to play judge jury and excutioner on them

    thats for the law to decide and yes people eventualy you well be cought

    just a matter of time and place
     
  4. FanJ

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    Hi buddy :D

    OF COURSE I DO respect you !!!

    No doubt about that !


    Cheers, Jan.
     
  5. HandsOff

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    it bothers me when people are so quick to be judge and jury.

    I don't pretend to know what motivates people who make Warez or Warez like sites. But i remember feeling that in that one instance someone had come to my rescue and defied a heartless corporate entity, and justice was served. Wether it was just luck, i do not know, but I was not asked for money or infected with malware.

    From that point on their is always going to be a question in my mind. Are these people really just crazed anarchists? Are they champions of the underdog? Do they have a philosophical believe that knowledge should be shared?

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  6. LowWaterMark

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    Well, I don't know HandsOff. :doubt:

    The circumstance you've described is not the norm. Warez producers generally aren't sitting out there advertising - "Hey all you people who bought valid keys but can't get them to work, come here and download this hack, crack, keygen or whatever."

    The people that are usually targetted are people who simply don't want to pay at all, not repeat customers who got a bad deal (lack of problem resolution) from the support at the company they bought software from.

    I certainly understand your specific circumstance as you described it, but again I say "people in that circumstance" are not usually the people downloading these things, and real people are being cheated out of their payments for products and services rendered. :doubt:
     
  7. JimIT

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    Not the Beatles.

    ;)

    Stealers Wheel.
     
  8. HandsOff

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    LowWaterMark, Your point is well taken. I realize I should not charactorize the whole industry as being bad. I live in the silicon valley and have been given a lot of help and encouragement by software engineers who helped me when i was a student.

    But I would not agree that it is really rare that a purchaser of software is not screwed by anti-piracey measures that compromise his privacy and his ability to use the software. I can appreciate that they want to protect their product but as a purchaser of software I don't feel that the burden should be put on me. And it has happened to me a lot.

    On the other hand, I guess my annoyances pale in comparison with having sites on the internet dedicated to stealing what you make for a living. I just never have liked to have to prove I own something. I am sorry if I offended anyone. Sometimes I don't see the forest for the trees. Let's hope honesty makes a comeback.

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  9. HandsOff

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    Not the Beatleso_O

    Oh, well....

    oobla de oobla da life goes on.....
     
  10. Mr.Blaze

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    WELL THATS NOT TRUE SOME COMPANYS ARE PURE EVIL LOOK AT PORN DIALERS LOL
     
  11. HandsOff

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    If that is the case Mr. Blaze, then perhaps we should feel to download as much porn as we want and not pay for it!

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  12. Paul Wilders

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    To steal or not to steal, that's the question, Blaze.

    (Hamlet expressed one and the same in essence, using Shakespeare as a messenger - read the book, and notice the ending).

    regards.

    paul
     
  13. Mr.Blaze

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    man you guys havent had much experince with porn dialers lol


    for example free porn free porn but then they secretly install a dialer on your pc

    there actualy several types of porn dialers some just as bad as a trojan

    secret dialers added to your registry


    that is pure evill
     
  14. HandsOff

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    Oh, but I have!

    Even though I am considered the greenest of greenhorns in this neck of the woods, I am actively sought out in some parts by those who know even less!

    Mr. X called and informed me that for the second time his computer had dialed up the Bahamas and racked up a hefty phone bill. He asked for some help, and besides doing a little basic spyware removal I made a suggestion that I hope he and everyone for that matter, follows. In most areas you can, at no charge to yourself, have your phone company remove the ability to dial 1-900 numbers. By doing so, you become immune to the worst charges incurred by the dialers. If more peoplel did this those dialers would probably all just go away!

    - HandsOff


    P.S. I am not implying the Mr. Blaze = Mr. X
     
  15. MikeBCda

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    I might add, the cost probably varies depending on who your phone company is, but it's practically zilch here (Bell Canada) -- $10 one-time charge, not even a monthly fee. I went that route a few months back after I picked up one of those dialers (which, unexpectedly, turned out to be a psych-reading service, of all things) -- I also put in SG and SB at the same time, and the 900-blocking was just dirt-cheap extra insurance.

    (Edit) Just dawned on me, maybe I should have kept the dialer after all -- it was domestic rather than overseas, mercifully, and the two connections it succeeded in making before I got it out only cost me $5 and change (which Bell credited back to me when I explained).

    I've always wondered if a psychic would be thrown for a loop by a brain injury, like mine. :D :D
     
  16. HandsOff

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    This is a bit off topic, but i think it is interesting none the less. I recently read an article stating that the technique used by someone giving a polygraph test is very similar to the technique used by many psychics. In short, they convince you that they can tell if you are lying (or some personal information in the case of the psychic). I have taken a polygraph before and "passed", however, from my end it is impossible to know what the machine was able to do.

    Personally, I believe that it is a deception, manipulation, and intimidation, and as such I don't believe they should be used...psychics, I mean...

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