Burn Image directly to DVD work around?

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  1. btsander

    btsander Registered Member

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    I'm new to TrueImage and to this forum. I've read through many posts and have noted is seemingly no way to burn directly to DVD without formatting a DVD+RW for Direct Packet writing. I understand that NERO InCD can perform this task.

    1. My first Question, I have NERO Ultra 6 but I do not know if it has InCD. Is there any free software that can perform the same task?

    2. Will direct packet writing to DVD+RW work even when running TI 9 from the boot CD?

    3. I'd prefer not to use DVD+RW's, so does anyone know of a workaround so DVD+R can be directly written to, using the BOOT CD version of TI 9?

    4. My last question is a bit off topic. I was unable to run the BOOT CD version in Full Version mode, only Safe mode, on my computer. Are there minimum requirements that have to be met to run the Full Version Mode or possibly another reason it wouldn't run?

    Thank you all!
     
  2. Acronis Support

    Acronis Support Acronis Support Staff

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    Hello btsander,

    Thank you for choosing Acronis Disk Backup Software.

    Your version of NERO burning software should contain Ahead InCD application. We recommend you to visit Nero site in order to get it.

    I'm afraid no. Acronis True Image 9.0 cannot write an image to DVDs in rescue mode. The ability to write images to DVD directly will be implemented in the future builds/versions of a particular software, but exact time frame is not decided yet.
    The other way to write an image to DVDs would be to create an image set with the archive splitting size at 2 GB on a local hard disk drive and then to copy the created image archives to DVDs.

    Please note that once a full image is created as one consistent file it instantly becomes indivisible and in case it exceeds the limit of 4.7 GB (the maximum capacity of a DVD disc) you will not be able to divide it into parts and burn to DVDs.
    However, we would recommend you to set the archive splitting size manually if you are planning to transfer an image archive to DVD discs. The archive size should be set at 2 GB to avoid possible discrepancies when being restored later. This proviso relates to most of the modern DVD-writing software.

    Please take a look at this FAQ article.

    Please note that DVD+RW and DVD-RW discs can be formatted by any of the third-party UDF-packet DVD-writing applications, while DVD+R at this moment can be formatted only by Roxio Drag To Disc.

    Could you please clarify what happens when you boot your computer from the bootable rescue media?
    Have you received any error messages? Please describe your actions step-by-step.

    Thank you.
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  3. btsander

    btsander Registered Member

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    Thanks for the Reply.

    One thing I don't quite understand is why I "should" split the archive at 2GB when a DVD can hold 4.7GB. Does TI9 have trouble reading files larger than 2GB from a DVD? If yes, does it only have this problem when running the BOOT CD in restore mode?

    The computer is an AMD K2 500Mhz, 60MB RAM, 4MB RAM Integrated Video, 8GB Harddrive, & CD-Rom. Basically, a piece of crap but it runs Windows ME fine.

    I inserted the Boot CD version of TI9. Restarted the computer and booted to the CD. The menu screen came up like normal. I chose to boot in Full Mode. It started to load and then automatically restarted the computer. I then chose to use Safe Mode, which loaded fine.
     
  4. seekforever

    seekforever Registered Member

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    When I have file is bigger than 2GB I get a message from Nero the UDF file system is required and the disk will only be readable under Win98, 2000 and XP. This may be overly restrictive but does indicate that it isn't as universal.

    A better split anyway is around 1.4GB such that 3 files will fill the DVD with little left over.
     
  5. Acronis Support

    Acronis Support Acronis Support Staff

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    Hello btsander,

    Actually, splitting images into 2 GB pieces is not obligatory. The point is that in case of using the so-called "two-step" method of writing images to DVD (please see the above mentioned FAQ article #27) you may use ISO file system instead of UDF. In this case you might not be able to burn files larger than 2 GB to the ISO formatted DVD as some third party DVD writing software does not allow it. If you are able to burn files larger than 2 GB then please feel free to do so. There should not be any problems restoring such image neither from under Windows nor in rescue mode.

    First of all, please make sure that you use the latest build (2337) of Acronis True Image 9.0 which is available at: http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/support/updates/

    You can find the full version name and build number by going to Help -> About... menu in the main program window.

    To get access to updates you should create an account at:
    http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/my/
    then log in and use your serial number to register your software.

    Please uninstall any previously installed build by following Start -> Settings -> Control Panel -> Add or Remove Programs -> Acronis True Image, prior to installing build 2337.

    Please create new Bootable Rescue CD after installing the update, boot your PC from this CD and see if the problem still persists.

    If the problem still persists with Bootable Rescue CD created using the latest build (2337) of Acronis True Image 9.0 then please try booting with "acpi=off noapic" parameter as it is described in Acronis Help Post.

    If that does not help either then please do the following:

    - Boot the computer from Bootable Rescue CD created using the latest build (2337) of Acronis True Image 9.0 once more and press F11 key when the selection screen advising you to choose either "Full", "Safe" or "Boot into Windows" option appears;

    - After you get the "Linux Kernel Settings" prompt, please remove the "quiet" word, click on the OK button and choose the "Full" option;

    - As the startup messages stop scrolling please write down the last few lines of the output, or use a digital camera to make a shots of the output screens.

    If you are not able to write down the last few lines of the output or photograph them using a digital camera for some reason (e.g. computer reboots to fast) then please create Windows System Information as it is described in Acronis Help Post.

    Please also create Acronis Report as it is described in Acronis Help Post.

    Please submit a request for technical support. Attach all the collected files and information to your request along with the step-by-step description of the actions taken before the problem appears and the link to this thread. We will investigate the problem and try to provide you with the solution.

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  6. jmk94903

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    I have an AMD K6II 500MHz system also. It worked fine with TrueImage Version 8 (all Builds), but with all versions of TrueImage 9 it does just as you describe. When I select Full mode on the TI boot screen, the system reboots spontaneously after a short while. Safe mode boots, but there is no support for USB drives.

    My AMD K6II system has a FIC VA-503+ motherboard which uses a VIA chipset.

    TrueImage Support has been working with me to find a solution, but so far none of the workarounds have been successful. My answer has been to go back to my copy of TI 8 unless the Support group can find a solution.

    If you have access to a copy of TI 8, you should try that. I believe Acronis Support will provide a copy of TI 8 to registered users of TI 9 when there are problems such as this.
     
  7. btsander

    btsander Registered Member

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    I tried this... Nero would only burn files larger than 2GB using the UDF file system. Will TI9 be able to restore from this type of disk?

    I'm guessing this is the point you were making and TI 9 won't be able to restore using the disk. I didn't realize the different DVD file systems existed.

    Thanks for the info JMK
     
  8. Menorcaman

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    Hi btsander,

    If using Nero to burn the split image as DVD-ROM (ISO) compilations then I would set TI's manual split size to 1492 MB (ignore the dropdown list and just type the figure into the space provided) and burn up to three consecutive .tib files per compilation. On the other hand, if you choose to burn them as Nero DVD-ROM (UDF) compilations then set TI's split size to 4.3 GB and burn one .tib file per compilation.

    A couple of other pointer:

    - If you decide to burn Nero DVD-ROM (ISO) compilations you can't use 2 GB as the split file size because Nero will complain that it exceeds the ISO maximum file size limitation. You would need to enter 2000 MB as TI's split size instead.
    - When verifing or restoring an image that's been split across multiple disks you need to insert the last disk first and then follow TI's prompts for subsequent disk changes. Note also that TI calls each chunk of a split image a "Volume". Therefore, if you have burnt three .tib files per DVD and TI prompts you to insert Volume 4 you will, in fact, need to insert disk number 2.

    Hope the above helps.

    Regards
     
  9. tgell

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    I would like to get some clarification on burning dvd's using the two-step method. Can you burn the split images from the hard drive to a blank DVD+R disk without formating or does it have to be a formated DVD+RW disk. Can iso formating be done to a DVD+R disk with roxio drag to disk or it is just for UDF formatting?

    Thanks
     
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  10. noonie

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    To save a lot of confusion;

    Download a great free burning program called Deepburner
    Start Deepburner>select create datadvd>next
    Select no multisession>next
    Drag and drop your tib files onto the target window watching bar graph on bottom to not overfill>Burn disk

    Doesn't get easier than this and is completely reliable.
    Dvd/r disks do not need to be formated.
    I split tib files to 700mb for possible cd's but any sizes up to 4.3 gig works
     
  11. jmk94903

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    I just got a reply from the TrueImage Development team that my AMD K6II 500MHz system is too old to run the TI 9 Recovery CD. They provided a link for me to download an iso image of the TI 8 Recovery CD which does work.

    This should solve the Recovery CD problem. The images created by TI 9, at least up to Build 2337, can be restored by TI 8.
     
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