Brazil Says Windows 10 Collects User Data Without Consent, Sues Microsoft

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  1. mirimir

    mirimir Registered Member

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    Yes. And the "main claim" is 100 days at the per diem fine. There's probably something in the law about maximum past liability, and how to calculate the per diem fine.
     
  2. Marcelo

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    As an accessory to the main claim the fine can't be superior to the maim claim... so 200 days is the maximum legal total adding legal monetary corrections and a 1% interest rate per month.
     
  3. mirimir

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    Thanks :)

    I wonder why the +/- 100 day limits.
     
  4. roger_m

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    Sure, that article is not the best example. But, despite there being a lot of talking of Windows 10 spying, I have never seen any actual proof.
     
  5. __Nikopol

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    Me neither.

    On the other hand, if you'd want to spy on all your costumers, you wouldn't want to make in any way easy to see your efforts. Encryption, disguise and/or blatant, open acknowledgement of acts of lesser impact to deter you, are better ways to do that. And we have at least two of these things, as you know. If there would be evidence for more than what they say they do, it would almost certainly be a big issue for them monetarily. Either by diminishing stock-market or user-base. I mean, look at what Facebook is going through right now, and they only get the tip of the iceberg of information.

    I sincerely hope that Windows brakes down totally. Microsoft stopped caring about us. For some reason.
    Think about what would happen if everyone decides to stop trusting Microsoft instantly, because they actually had screen-, key-, face-, audio-capturing software running. Every windows-techie would go to Linux and it will be a year of moral demise for everyone that is used to Windows. Then all the people start coding for Linux instead, making it more and more into what they want. I'm certain Linux distros will finally become more usable. Maybe there will even come up a distro called Bindows, Spindows, Tindows ... whatever, looking highly like Windows 10, in a few years.

    I'm allowed to dream. :(
     
  6. Marcelo

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    The procedure is under judicial secret... probably not to disclose internal copyrighted Microsoft Technology to the public... otherwise I could just take a look at it and tell you if it's actually 100 days and why... did I mention I'm a lawyer? :)
     
  7. mirimir

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    Thanks for checking :)
    No, but I was getting that impression :)
     
  8. DesuMaiden

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    I don't do anything overly sketchy of course, but I've read on certain online forums there are people who are dumb enough to use the deep webs, and browse illicit porn sites with Windows. And they think are safe using Windows just because they are using Tor to browse the deep webs. LOL. What an epic failure! And guess who they end up seeing at their front door eventually? Hint: It starts with an "F" and ends with an "I" and is a three letter acronym for a certain agency in the USA.

    Yeah there are naive people out there that think that using Tor, by itself, is enough to grant them even an iota of privacy. The truth is, if someone is using Windows, even using Tor doesn't mean squat, because it is a well-known fact that Windows spies on everything you do on the OS level, so even Tor isn't keeping your anonymity and privacy if someone is foolish enough to continue to use Windows lol.
     
  9. mirimir

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    Right. And not just Windows. People have been pwned by anti-malware apps :(
     
  10. roger_m

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    No it's not a fact. I'd like to see you link to a source which provide proof of that, rather than speculation with no evidence.
     
  11. mirimir

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    https://www.polygon.com/2015/7/31/9075531/windows-10-privacy-how-to

    And sure, now they make it easier to decline such sharing. But they still did it. And that doesn't engender trust.
     
  12. DesuMaiden

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    Exactly. The truth is, if TBTB want to find you badly enough, there is nothing you can do to hide from their ever-watchful eyes. You are right...anti virus is for noobs. If someone is dumb enough to get malware on their computer in the first place, they

    A) shouldn't be using a computer or the Internet or any device that can connect to the Internet in the first place
    B) shouldn't be relying on anti-malware software to protect them from malware because chances are your computer is already screwed, if you get infected by malware. And you don't have a very good chance of removing many serious malware attacks that actually infect your computer successfully
    C) a combination of the above reasons
     
  13. mirimir

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    Mainly, they shouldn't be using Windows :)

    I don't agree, however, that hiding is impossible. Obviously, given that I hardly write about anything else ;)

    As I say, use nested VPN chains and Tor. And compartmentalize. And use good OPSEC.
     
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