Bosch is working on glasses-free 3D displays for in-car use

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  1. mood

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    Bosch is working on glasses-free 3D displays for in-car use
    August 13, 2019
    https://techcrunch.com/2019/08/12/bosch-is-working-on-glasses-free-3d-displays-for-in-car-use/
     
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    Glasses-free 3D viewing is something I've been waiting for for many years. I have said many times I will buy a 3D TV when Version 2.0 of the glasses-free version comes out (I don't believe V1.0 will be good enough). I'm 67. I wonder if that day will come for me.
     
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    I guess.

    But for me, knowing that stuff is part of getting to know a car. I pretty much know how much clearance I have. And I can tell which tires are starting to slip, if I'm pushing it cornering or on curves. Especially if the windows are open. I'm not sure that I like the idea of depending on some complicated system for that stuff.
     
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    I am doubtful that day will come for you or I or most of us. At least not at a consumer level.

    I can't see this being useful in a car. It will be a distraction at least and it may startle someone into a collision. My car is annoying enough when it beeps at me if I rapidly approach another car.
     
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    I hear you but that's when you are intentionally making that turn and listening/feeling for slip. But that's not what those systems are for. They are for emergency scenarios where you, as a human being, are just too slow to first, identify a problem, then second, to correctly react to it. You can't see black ice, for example. And when you are sharing the road with other human beings (especially stupid ones who are using their cell phones while driving :mad:) you cannot anticipate every move they may make - regardless how attentive and quick you may think you are - or how good a driver you may actually be.

    Even in your own scenario, you are depending on your windows being open. What if it is raining out? Or in the dead of winter? Both of those very common scenarios would commonly involve slippery roads.

    We all need to consider this. If those automated safety features didn't help avoid accidents and save lives, the insurance companies sure wouldn't provide discounts on our premiums when we drive vehicles that have those features.
    I don't think that day will come in what's left of my lifetime either. And even if it does, I wonder how it will look to someone not sitting directly in front of the TV. If everyone in the room cannot get the full value of the 3D effect, I would not want it.
    I disagree. I think it will be just like any driver who gets into a modern car they have never driven before. The whole dash is a distraction, until they figure it out.

    And have you ever driven a car with "Lane Departure"? I have. And it is startling when the steering wheel suddenly and almost violently vibrates and a warning chime goes off. And what did it do? It caused me to quickly get back in my lane.
    Maybe you shouldn't approach other cars so rapidly then. What if your brakes fail or the road is wet? That's why you get that warning. If you are suggesting it does it too often and when truly unnecessary, perhaps there's a software patch your dealer can apply.
     
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    They'd probably need to make an actual Holodeck to get the effect to be any good.

    Yes, but you'd pay more attention if you didn't have the lane departure. I've been driving for 30 years, it's never been a problem. I hear most people disable it. Blind spot monitoring makes people lazy too. You still have to look. As tempting as it is to reply on it. :isay:

    If you drive on an interstate highway on a daily basis it's unavoidable that someone will cut you off. I don't race up on people and tailgate them. Too many folks do and that's what sets it off. :eek:
     
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    Oh bullfeathers! Even attentive people get distracted. Or they may doze off. If your statement were remotely true, the feature would never have been conceived,
    Well then we won't hold your obvious youth and lack of experience against you. Just because you have never had a problem, that IN NO WAY means no one has, or no one could benefit from it.

    More bullfeathers. Its called a blind spot for a reason - and it is not just because something (like a little kid) cannot be seen in mirrors.

    Statistics are clear. Over the driving lifetime, on average every driver will be involved in over 3 accidents. I did not say it was their fault - just they will be involved. Any technology that can lower that is good.
     
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    @Bill_Bright -- Yeah, some of my worst accidents were caused by zoning out. Or getting blind-sided. When I'm pushing it, at least I'm paying full attention.
     
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    I've done that a couple times (that I'm aware of). Once I drifted to the left into on-coming traffic but ran over those raised road markers. The noise and vibration immediately got my attention. The second time I drifted to the right and there were grooves cut in the shoulder that quickly got my attention too. I was lucky in both cases and it made me realize how stupid I was for driving when so tired.

    Today's modern vehicles with Lane Departure Warning features would have got my attention before ever crossing the lines. The features are not perfect, but getting better. One serious limitation is they all depend on clearly painted lane markings. If inclement weather, faded lines, or no lines, it does not work.

    One technology proposed for the future will be some sort of magnetic or RF device planted in the center of lanes, and sensors mounted on every car. Not sure how that will work for those who want to keep their antique cars "original".
     
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    I have the blind-spot detection/cross traffic warning feature and there have been times when it alerted me before I noticed something. I wish I had the forward collision warning/emergency braking option too, but it wasn't available on my model that year.

    The other side of the coin is as safety systems become more complex drivers have to be educated on how to interact with them. Pilots have to be formally checked out when they switch to a different type of aircraft. I think training for automobiles is going to have to be implemented eventually too.
     
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    Well, I have always thought driver education should be mandatory, but that's not really what you meant.

    I know navigating the "infotainment" features can be a real challenge - especially for the less-tech savvy who are intimidated by such devices. And sadly, many of those fancy features are currently only found on the more pricier cars which often tend to be purchased by those who have already made their marks in life and now have the resources to afford such a car - I am trying to delicately say, "older people" - of which I consider myself as one. Fortunately, I'm somewhat of a geek too.

    My neighbors, in their lower 80s and upper 70s just bought a new Subaru Forrester, trading in their 25 year old Buick LeSabre. She refuses to drive it because of all the bells, whistles and even voices talking to her even though the Forrester is one of the safest cars on the road.

    But to your point, none of those safety features should require any training. They should just work just like the air bags, anti-skid and anti-lock brakes should just work. Any training should be instinctive and intuitive - that is, if some alarm goes off because the vehicle is drifting out of its lane, the driver should look up from their texting and immediately see they have drifted and get back in their lane. No training required for that. They just need their cell phone taken away.

    The "other side of the coin", if you will, is cost of repair. Years ago, if you dented the bumper, a new bumper cost a couple $100 and you were good to go. Today, bumpers are jam-packed with cameras, radars, motion sensors and maybe even the computers to control them.
     
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    Thanks for the thoughts. I should have been more clear about "training". As you say the safety features should work without intervention. The training people need is mostly about becoming aware of and used to the feedback/warnings that the systems provide so that they will respond properly.
     
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    Well, a good dealer should do that - and I bet will, for new car purchases. Used car sales will be another issue. :(
     
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    Yeah, used cars, and rentals too. I got a rental when my Elantra was having some work done in the shop. It was a fairly new model and it started beeping at me once when I was accelerating in traffic. Fortunately I was aware of "forward collision warning" so it didn't throw me, but someone who didn't know about it would be wondering what was going on ;)
     
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    Great point about rentals. In fact, I saw a new article about that being a problem.
     
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    So it was a hot summer day, and I was on a two-lane highway, driving with the windows open. And then there was this wasp, flying around me in the swirling air. I freaked. It probably freaked too, I guess. Then I realized that I was in the on-coming lane, with vehicles swerving to the left and right :eek:

    Fortunately, nobody hit anybody else, or otherwise damaged their vehicles. And as I recall, I didn't even get a ticket.
     
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    LOL I'd freak too. This is what happens when I get stung by a wasp.

    Wasp Attack.jpg

    They don't like lawn mowers.

    Like the tan lines? I ride a bicycle - try to get in 30 miles per day. I missed a few days that week.

    I am sure most smokers have been through the experience of dropping their cigarette or having the "cherry" fall off in their lap while driving.
     
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    Damn.

    Many years ago, while tripping on LSD, a bee stung the top of my head. It was a trip about pain.

    Even more years ago, while tripping on LSD, I fell on gravel, going after a frisbee. Another trip about pain.

    Then there was the time that, while tripping on LSD, I was riding very fast downhill, and encountered a T intersection, with a curb. But somehow, I ended up standing next to the bicycle, on the sidewalk. It all happened too fast to remember, but I must have jumped the curb.
     
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    Jaguar Land Rover developing system that beams 3D movies in front of your eyes
    Also used to display real-time safety information
    August 20, 2019

    https://www.techspot.com/news/81524-jaguar-land-rover-developing-system-beams-3d-movies.html
     
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    Just what we need. People watching 3D movies while they drive ;)
     
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    Yeah, that would be bad ;) They were trying to develop a HUD for cars at one point. I don't know if any of the car makers are still actively working on it. I think it had the potential to be less distracting than looking at gauges on the dashboard.
     
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    Many vehicles now have some HUD on the windshield, and that seems to work well.
     
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