some guy over on pcpitstop stated this: You will also need to run a spyware scan because Norton and other AV programs will D/L a few trojans when you register and update them does anyone know if this is true. he also said this: Yes. They are either coming from the server or from the company themselves. If you are running Norton and you turn off automatic updates, you will notice that every time you start your system and every so often while your system is running, the Norton program will contact sysmantect even when auto update is turned off. Norton wants to know everything that you are doing on your computer. If you are running a paid for firewall such as Zone Alarm, It will pop up a warning everytime Norton phones home. They started this with the 2004 version of norton AV. It is not in prior versions. many other companies are doing the same thing. ZA will popup a warning when these programs phone home for no apparent reson. and this: Any program that has the capability of searching for and D/Ling anything on its own IS a Trojan. A program that looks for updates and automatically D/Ls them has a Trojan component to it. A company may tell you that they will only D/L the updates, but when you allow this action, you also allow them to D/L anything they wish. When updates are turned off and a program still must contact something anyways, this is considered a Trojan because it has a self executing feature that has no user interaction to cause it to execute. Many programs will require re-installation when the self executable programs are removed. It may seem ridiculous now but so was the concept of spyware and big brother several years ago. Nobodys laughing anymore.. i was laughing. cuz, i told him i have my nis2004 set to manuall and i dont get any prgs from norton trying to access anything till i tell it to. could someone post a reply to this so i can post it to him and either prove his point or make him resend his info.