Australian Governments Secret Plans To Spy On Web Surfers

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  1. lotuseclat79

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    Only a politician can come up with such cheap escape clause (premature unnecessary debate indeed). They are shutting up the people who elected them
     
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    That is the silliest crock of ~ Snipped as per TOS ~ I have ever heard of. Maybe we should let them come into your home at random and look around. I mean, you don't have anything to hide, do you? So you shouldn't mind if they enter your home at will. You never know, you may be abusing a child in there, right?? How about we start scanning all of your mail? There may be some child porn in there. We need to make sure.

    Fact: Almost all child sexual abuse occurs by a family member or by someone the child knows. A small percentage is by a stranger in real life. The number of cases that occur from strangers on the internet is statistically insignificant.
     
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    Never mind your government. Sounds to me like you need Bob!

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    I'm sure there's alot of sarcasm in STB's posts.

    The Pols are actually re-enacting time honored behavior starting in
    elementary grade school playgrounds.

    If you don't join us you're [pick an inflammatory name]
    If you won't do what we say, think like we do, give us what we want you are a [derogatory name again].
    As we get older, we pick names that no one can argue with, without sounding like a criminal themselves.

    This is not only happening in Australia, US or England, but everywhere.
    We are letting the Pols and their Corpse employers
    treat us all like children. (Ignorant ones at that.)

    I wonder how many of them would actually 'stand' up to intensive scrutiny-
    One politician said in 2007-
    "If people equate freedom of speech with watching child pornography, then the Rudd-Labor Government is going to disagree."

    What? Free Speech and cp have never come to my mind in the same sentence,
    I seriously doubt it has in many other minds, except this guy, which
    should make us wonder about him!

    We are actually going to let them take away Free Speech now?
    Which, no matter how you word it, is what 'No Debate' implies.
     
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    What...From History, reminds me of that saying about not profiting from the mistakes of the past. See no evil: speak no evil; no evil is ever done....right.
     
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    There is this thing called education, it doesn't come from government censors or birocrats or super spy agents with super spy algorithms, it comes from parents and teachers. Todays creeps (to call them nicely) are seeking children in churches mostly, so if we all want to protect the children we should educate them about the situation and that would give the best protection against the problem. We are all being naive if we think that monitoring what people put in their search engine is gonna solve all of our worries. But what it will bring is a gestapo government that is monitoring its people. Our grandfathers gave their life to protect our rights and freedoms and least we can do is to not give them away freely. Otherwise we can all just move to North Korea, and i believe there are creeps as well despite the surveillance.
     
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    Hi Simply the Best,

    You logic is deficient and misguided by your assumptions (see your first post).

    The plan is actually censorship and a huge disconnect with the public interest via government transparency (and public discourse) which would increase public confidence in the government - as there are other plans and ways to combat child molesting (porn) and terrorists/terrorism.

    The probable reason is that the so-called government protectors are themselves fearful of the public discourse/feedback/flack. Politicians never act in the interest of the public good, but only of themselves to get re-elected next election.

    -- Tom
     
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    Yes and it would be easier to test everyone if they were drinking before they sit in a car, so we could combat drink-drivers. Perhaps we should forget elections, so we could avoid corrupted politicians and save a lot of money on all those representatives and we would just have a dictator.
    We are all innocent until proven otherwise, that is the basis of our society. Yes there is the price that some really guilty people have to be proven guilty first, and some avoid their punishment, but that is a relatively small price to pay compared to the alternative. All of those who try to bring down our way of life, our freedom, can't do all that for them self's, but want us to become what we are fighting against. You are grateful that someone is watching over you, well i am not, so i guess that we can agree that "not all dream the same things". But it is not in someones calling to watch over us and say what is good or bad, it is in our freedom of choices and freedom to live as we see it fit where the power is.

    Perhaps you won't vote for some politician or a political party, does that make you a threat to the freedom or threat to the security or threat to the children, just because that politician and its party claim that they are protecting us and the kids and you don't vote for them, so you have to be a threat. Hm... i don't think so.



    Freedom is only an illusion when you give it away. That is something that dictatorship regimes all over the world tell to their people so that they wouldn't rise up for their freedom. All over the world are the people fighting in many ways to have the freedoms that north america and europe have (had), so i doubt that it is the best idea for us to abandon what we have (had). Yes the government want all of our info, but it is on us to protect it.
    "People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people."



    And how many times should that be 1x, 10x, 100x. If there is some awful event where a lot of innocent people got hurt, and some housewife enters in search engine something like "accident, location, people, d.eath, etc." just to watch the news, she would be put on the list as threat to all of us, or some student is writing an essay for chemistry class and he would be registered for entering some spooky formula. Just take a look at that black list of names that airlines made with security agencies..... it never found any bad guys, what it did was to "bully" people who had strange names, some kids and soccer moms. It is the smallest effort for the bad guys to cover their search but it would be a major violation of our freedom to have us on a list of good citizen vs bad citizens.

    P.s. Just came to my mind:) We are all here at wilders talking about security and privacy etc. But why are we so into that, are we trying to hide something, are we the bad guys, do we want to hide something from the authorities?


    something to consider:

    If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, it expects what never was and never will be.
    * Thomas Jefferson, letter to Colonel Charles Yancey (6 January 1816)


    The most dangerous man, to any government, is the man who is able to think things out for himself... Almost inevitably, he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, and intolerable.

    * H. L. Mencken, 1919
     
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    "out of fear the document could cause "premature unnecessary debate"."

    Translation, "The Labor party is already having a hard time, we are going to use every bit of legal power we have before the elections so the Liberals can't use this as a campaign issue."


    Not the mention this program has been suspended for obvious electoral reasons.
     
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