Apple is portraying itself as the defender of privacy in the tech world

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  1. mood

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    Apple is portraying itself as the defender of privacy in the tech world, but it's one slip away from embarrassment
    January 10, 2019
    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/10/apple-privacy-big-bet-risks.html
     
  2. Palancar

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    I am not an Apple user BUT I do respect that at least they are making attempts to keep user's stuff private and secure.
     
  3. mirimir

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    If you really care about privacy, you don't use iCloud. You make your own backups, encrypt them locally using open-source software, and store them somewhere online.
     
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    Are icloud backups automatically encrypted without apple having the ability to decrypt them?
    No?
    Then apple you are full of ****.
     
  5. Minimalist

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    Yes it is. More info here:
    https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303
    EDIT: it seems that it's encrypted only in transit...
     
  6. deBoetie

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    Or offline. Nothing wrong with an encrypted disk or sd card (which are so small they can be secreted in many places), as part of the mix. With none of the many risks of online cloud connection.
     
  7. ProTruckDriver

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    Most of us our privacy is gone. The Amish have no problem about privacy. The Amish do not use electricity, so there are no televisions, computers, or radios." Now that's privacy. :argh:
     
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    I heard that some guys in black suits are watching them with binoculars and satellites... Amish being considered an old settled alien race forced to exile because chased by their own Ai creations... :D
     
  9. mirimir

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    Hey, microSD are small and thin enough to chew and swallow. If you have good teeth.
     
  10. Palancar

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    Wouldn't it be much easier for the masses IF Apple just designed a Zero Knowledge approach for their cloud? Something along the lines of BitWarden, or Protonmail, etc..... Of course you can't help it if users employ 1234 as a password, but many would get a little serious about their files given a chance. The local encryption is a no brainer for several on this thread but the masses are not going to do that, ever!
     
  11. Beyonder

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    Because then people would lose their selfies when they forget their passwords.
     
  12. Floyd 57

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    Make it a minimum of 16 characters, must include at least 1 digit, 1 upper case, 1 lower case letter and a special symbol. That would help significantly against hash attacks for the average scenario. Perhaps even say "you should use a password manager" on the page. There we go, now the world is a much better place. And you can still reset your password if you forget it. Oh yes, and 2FA
     
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    No, it's not only encrypted in transit. The very page you linked to shows the table. Note the description of data and the encryption labels with two rows. "In Transit" and "On Server." Apple has a lot at stake in its absolute commitment to privacy. This is why the FBI had to pay big dollars to get a 5C broken into. For every new iOS and iOS hardware after the 5C, all data is now encrypted at an even higher level and is encrypted - on the device and on the servers. Turn on Two-Factor Authentication.
     
  14. Minimalist

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    Yes, my bad wording. It is encrypted on server but as I understand Backups are encrypted using their encryption keys.
    FBI did have to break inti iPhone but they wouldn't have to if they didn't change account's password. They would just back it up and get data from iCloud (with warrant of course). More info here:
    https://www.cnet.com/news/apple-say...-most-promising-way-to-access-terrorist-data/
     
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    Please, no arbitrary restrictions on passwords - for instance, diceware passwords have no special characters and that's a very good thing at times, providing you pick your entropy appropriate to your needs. Obviously, if it's a password manager that's less critical, but even there it's a pain.

    2FA is clearly helpful, and I wouldn't use a password manager without that.
     
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    But I did read that the macOS is collecting just as much data as Win 10, with no easy way to block it. Does anyone know if this is true? If so, then Apple can't be taken seriously.
     
  17. mood

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    Apple CEO Tim Cook hit out at companies like Facebook again: Anything that collects personal data and uses it against customers ‘should not exist’
    March 1, 2019
    https://www.businessinsider.de/appl...ertising-shareholder-meeting-2019-3?r=US&IR=T
     
  18. Floyd 57

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    Obviously I agree with him, but it's easy to say that when your company makes money from selling phones... what do facebook and google sell? They know everything about u so they sell ads and information (primarily), they don't make phones or anything like that on a scale that will make them the majority of their profits. It's like telling a car company to not sell cars, so what do they sello_O? They can't just flip a switch and say "ok we gonna sell cars now" (I'm talking about google and facebook here)
     
  19. mirimir

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    As he said, "Anything that collects personal data and uses it against customers ‘should not exist’".

    So they should do something else to make money, or not exist. Right?

    I'd miss Google, though ;)
     
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