Active@ Boot Disk 9.0.0

Discussion in 'backup, imaging & disk mgmt' started by treehouse786, Oct 21, 2014.

  1. treehouse786

    treehouse786 Registered Member

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    Included the latest software versions:

    • Active@ KillDisk 9.1
    • Active@ File Recovery 13
    • Active@ Partition Recovery 11
    • Active@ Data Burner 5.7
    • Active@ Disk Monitor 3.2
    • Active@ Disk Editor 5
    • Active@ Partition Manager 3.5
    Added the latest Intel, VIA USB3 & Adaptec SCSI drivers

    Network initialization and status display improved

    http://www.boot-disk.com/index.htm
     
  2. Brian K

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    It's a nice boot disk but I'm surprised it still doesn't support UEFI. It should have done that two years ago.
     
  3. mantra

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    hi
    is it still w7 winpe based ?

    thansks
     
  4. Brian K

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    WinPE 3.1
     
  5. treehouse786

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    hi Brian. to be honest i think i am starting to get confused. isn't UEFI different from secureboot? is this a UEFI system?

    edit- i was wondering why it was working for me and have just remembered that my bios is set to to UEFI-legacy mode. it is a shame we still have to use legacy mode in the bios to make it work but to me it is a small price to pay for getting to use a boot disk i really like and trust. i can totally see why it would put other people off though and they really should have implemented this by now
     
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  6. treehouse786

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    i did ask support 2 years ago why they have not implemented it. i will PM you the response just in case we are not allowed to post 3rd party conversations here
     
  7. Brian K

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    Your Asus UEFI/BIOS is almost identical to mine. When running in UEFI mode I don't think we can disable Secure Boot but it can be disabled in other UEFI/BIOS. I assume you are running Legacy mode by selecting "Other OS" and that's what I'm doing too in my main computer. I have over 10 OS on this SSD and that can only be done with Legacy mode. My son only needs a single OS so I installed his OS in UEFI mode with Secure Boot by default. His OS boots a few seconds faster than mine but otherwise I can't see any performance difference. Of interest, his computer can boot a few non UEFI boot disks but these disks don't boot in my wife's UEFI tablet. I'll try booting Active@ in his computer after he goes to school.

    From your correspondence I doubt we'll see an Active@ UEFI boot disk in its current form.
     
  8. Brian K

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    I couldn't wait. An Active@ USB Boot Disk works in my son's computer and loads to the Active@ desktop in 35 seconds. He has an Asus Sabertooth Z87 motherboard. I understand legacy UFDs usually don't boot in older UEFI systems.
     
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    its been a while since i have ventured into my bios, i could not find an option which i recollected seeing in the past. does that picture look right to you?

    does EFI compatible ROM need to be enabled to test whether active@ will boot in a UEFI environment?


    IMG_5781.JPG

    edit- also i could not find the 'other OS' option but i do think i have seen it in the past
     
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    interesting, does this mean active@ is indeed compatible with UEFI sytems but only on a select basis? i apologize, my knowledge of UEFI has decayed rapidly
     
  11. Brian K

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    It's not specific to Active@. IFD and BIBM boot disks boot in his computer too (they are non UEFI) and I think it's related to CSM (Compatibility Support Module) in the UEFI/BIOS.

    Edit.... IFL will boot in Legacy or UEFI. It supports UEFI.
     
  12. Brian K

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    In my BIOS it is...

    Advanced Mode
    Boot tab
    Secure Boot
    .... OS Type (the choices are Other OS and Windows UEFI mode)


    I haven't used the "EFI compatible ROM" setting.

    I have CSM set to Auto.
    I have OS Type set to Other OS (for Legacy Boot)
     
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    thanks for the insight, i did not know such a feature existed. i don't seem to have it in my model.

    all this time i have associated the EFI compatible ROM setting with secureboot. i enabled it and active@ still loaded. turns out, i don't actually have secureboot on this motherboard. i assumed like bxwatso that my motherboard did come with secureboot..

    http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...-install/08e3a503-0824-40f6-bae5-731b7e957df5
    (i have the same motherboard as OP)
     
  14. Brian K

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    You can have UEFI without Secure Boot. For example when installing Win7 in UEFI mode as the Win7 OS doesn't support Secure Boot. Secure Boot can be disabled in my wife's UEFI tablet and the UEFI Win8 still boots.

    From your link...

    "I currently use a P8Z68-V/Gen 3 Motherboard as well. You can't enable Secure Boot as the UEFI does not support it even if you install using UEFI mode and not BIOS."

    I assume the BIOS is UEFI without Secure Boot. But Win8 could still be installed.
     
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    i currently run win8 but have had many OS's on this motherboard in the past, i just assumed i had no issues with installations or booting due to me disabling the 'EFI compatible ROM' setting thinking i was disabling secureboot at the same time. quite funny to realise that i never had secureboot in the first place. explains why i have not had any conundrums
     
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    Do you see two entries in your F8 Boot Menu when you try to boot an Active@ UFD? I do.

    Kingmax USB2.0 FlashDisk (7704 MB)
    UEFI: Kingmax USB2.0 FlashDisk (7704 MB)

    Only the first one works.

    Edit... I think two entries are present with a CD.
     
  18. treehouse786

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    hi Brian, i stated in post 13 that active@ already works under both settings, i assume you only need to take those steps when using on a system with secureboot? (which i don't have)

    i think i only saw 1 entry but i will double check when i can
     
  19. Brian K

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    Despite not having Secure Boot I'd expect you could install Win8 in UEFI mode as you have a UEFI/BIOS? If you wanted to? Which you and I don't want to.

    Edit... A basic Win8 install in UEFI mode creates 4 partitions.

    Recovery
    EFI System
    Microsoft Reserved
    Win8

    The Microsoft Reserved partition isn't seen in Disk Management.
     
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    you can install in uefi mode. it will work fine. or i have also installed on older non uefi bios' as well. you do not get the secureboot this way of course. it depends how your drive is set up. if you let win 8 install manage your drive (set it up for you) then yes. but if you use diskpart and use the clean command it does set it up a bit different.
     
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    what are the benefits of installing win8 in UEFI mode?
     
  22. Brian K

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    There is no doubt a UEFI/BIOS is a great improvement over a Legacy BIOS.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface

    But I'm less impressed with the benefits of installing Win8 in UEFI mode rather than in MBR mode. UEFI offers...

    A few seconds shorter boot time.
    Secure Boot.

    What else?

    Sure, UEFI allows you to boot an OS from a HD larger than 2 TB. But many of us use SSDs. There are no 3 TB SSDs in use.

    You don't need to install Win8 in UEFI mode to use a 6 TB HD. (non OS HD)
    UEFI mode install reduces your options if you want to multi-boot many OS.
     
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    I haven't gotten involved with UEFI since the last Laptop I bought only had legacy BIOS implemented on it. I have 5 different systems that I use on that laptop. What do you mean by 'reduces your options' in the statement above?

    Is multi-boot restricted in some way with UEFI that I will no longer be able multi-boot what I want?
     
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    Brian, the thing you didn't mention (because you're a BIBM user :shifty:) is the 128 PRIMARY partition capability. This was clearly a big jump over 4 which the LEGACY/MBR scheme supported.

    Whether people (except you with many BOOTable OSes) require such a feature (without BIBM) is another thing all together.
     
  25. Brian K

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    I've seen people multi-booting Win8 and Linux but never more than that. Maybe because other OS don't support Secure Boot. I don't know how you would be able to boot several other OS. I'm hoping a "BIBM type" app will eventually work with UEFI.
     
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