TeraByte Product Release Thread

Discussion in 'backup, imaging & disk mgmt' started by TheKid7, Aug 19, 2011.

  1. Brian K

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    The PHYLock error isn't important as PHYLock isn't used in a WinPE. Does IFW run better if you use an earlier version of Active@ Boot Disk?

    I suggest you try TBWinRE. It is easy to automate and I like it better than Active@.
     
  2. mantra

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    can i disable this error? or at the least the warnings?

    yes


    do you know active boot disk ? does it have trim feature? looks vista based (so no trim) can you confirm please Brian?

    how many GB should i download?
    i have the original w7 sp1 64bit not 32bir

    thanks
     
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  3. Brian K

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    mantra,

    It sounds like the latest Active@ doesn't like your computer. No, it doesn't have TRIM. BIBM has a TRIM function.

    There is nothing to download. It uses your own Windows Recovery files to create the ISO/UFD.

    Edit... create the TBWinRE in Win8 if you have Win8. It will have more drivers.
     
  4. mantra

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    but is it important to have a trim feature to the restore an image?
    i guess image for linux has trim feature,hasn't it


    my own windows recovery files has all the drivers? and it's 64bit
    now i use w7 64bit sp1

    but no usb3 drivers

    about the image for windows error about unable to obtain a lock on drive c , can i hide/disable in the IFW preference ?
    thanks Brian
     
  5. Brian K

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    That's fine. You should have a TBWinRE built within 5 minutes.

    Don't use Active@ 7.5.2 with IFW. The combination doesn't suit your computer.
     
  6. mantra

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    should i use TBWinRE Create a TBWinRE CD, USB Flash Drive (UFD) or ISO file right?

    thanks
     
  7. Brian K

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    You can create all three but I prefer UFD.
     
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    i got this error
    o_O o_O

    but i can use linux to copy Winre.wim to a normal folder but the script will not work
     
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    No. But why would you want IFL to have TRIM?

    BIBM has TRIM, not the contained IFD. IN BIBM you can TRIM partitions and unallocated free space.
     
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    for trim i mean the feature for ssd
     
  13. oliverjia

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    Dear Brian, have a question for you: if I want to properly back up and later restore a SSD disk with freshly installed windows 8 on it, what would be the best way and necessary parameter setup in order for the restored OS to have a correct alignment and therefore best performance?
    Can IFL automatically do this, just like a regular back up and restore on a HDD? Would IFW be a better option to use for this task than IFL?
    thanks.
     
  14. Brian K

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    oliverjia,

    When you create your boot disks, select the 2048 sector option. This option applies to restores, not image backups.

    How to backup depends on your partitions. You could create an Entire Drive backup, especially if you had a UEFI system with the several special partitions. Entire Drive backups are easy to restore as all partitions are restored to a new drive in the same order/size as they were on the original drive. Or you can simply restore single partitions from the Entire Drive backup.

    Or you could image partitions individually and restore them individually. Would you like to post a possible partition layout and I'll comment further but others could have a different approach and all approaches will work.

    Regarding backing up. I never use IFD or IFL in my main computer as I see no reason to shutdown the OS to create an image. All images are created with IFW. For restores, use whichever app is your favourite. They all create and restore the same image format. Depending on your hardware, one app may be faster/slower than the others.

    Most of your restores will be to the same drive and not to a new drive. Let's say you have a minor OS issue that can't be easily fixed. Just restore an image. Fixed. If you are restoring frequently you can automate the restores. A double click and walk away. When you return the restored OS has loaded.
     
  15. oliverjia

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    Dear Brian,

    Very appreciate your prompt help.
    To clarify, yes I will use the whole SSD (128GB) just for OS and programs, and windows will be installed in UEFI mode. So there will be 4 partitions in total. And I agree, it's better for me to do the the whole disk backup rather than backup for individual partition.
    Also I will only restore the backup to the original SSD.
    Above are the scenario that how I will use my SSD.
    I understand you don't image outside of windows, but I was wondering if you happen to know if I use IFW recovery CD to do a cold backup from outside of Windows, do I need to do some parameter setups to ensure correct alignment upon restore? If IFW recovery CD can do the alignment automatically without special parameter setup, I will go ahead and purchase IFW (I currently only have a license for IFL).

    Thanks again for your help.

    Regards,
    oliverjia
     
  16. Brian K

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    oliverjia,

    Easy. Create an Entire Drive backup after you have installed Win8 and keep that backup "forever". After that first backup you don't need to create any more Entire Drive backups. Just backup the Win8 partition. If you have an OS issue, simply restore the latest Win8 image. The other 3 partitions can be left alone.

    If you have a drive failure, replace the drive and restore the 3 special partitions from your Entire Drive backup. They will be restored to the correct LBA positions. Then restore the latest Win8 image to the appropriate space. Done.

    Simply set the 2048 sector option in IFW. But if you want to continue using IFL instead of IFW, no problem. You can set 2048 sector alignment in IFL. So IFL and IFW can do the same aligned restore.

    On the other hand, it makes no difference if you image with IFL and restore with IFW or image with IFW and restore with IFL. The apps are interchangeable.

    Edit... When creating an IFL boot disk using makedisk.exe, choose Custom Settings instead of Default Settings. Select Align Partitions on 2048 Sectors. You can leave the remaining options not selected. You can ignore the Additional ifl.ini Options.
     
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  17. oliverjia

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    Thanks for the very detailed and clear instruction! It makes a lot of sense!

    Thanks for the further instruction!

    So the boot USB created this way is good for imaging and restoring SSD type of drive. Can I also use this USB boot disk on the same machine, but on a HDD? Should I re-make the boot usb using makedisk.exe without selecting "align partitions on 2048 sectors"?

    Thanks again Brian for your help!
     
  18. Brian K

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    oliverjia,

    You can use this boot disk on the same and on other computers. You can use it with SSDs and HDs. You can use it for OS and data partitions. There is no need for a non 2048 sector aligned boot disk. Only one boot disk is needed. I restore all partitions as 2048 sector aligned even if they were legacy cylinder aligned previously.

    When you make the USB boot disk you will see several choices. These are my favourites. It may be different on your hardware.

    For USB Layout
    Partition - MBR FAT/FAT32 Partition (Int13h Extensions)

    For Geometry Calculation Method
    Default - Use Device

    You can boot a IFL UFD in UEFI or legacy mode.

    http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/kb/article.php?id=317

    http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/kb/article.php?id=572
     
  19. oliverjia

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    Dear Brian,

    Your help is greatly appreciated! All my questions are solved. I am ready to install and back up windows 8 on my first SSD.
    Also thanks for the links you provided - very informative.

    Regards,
    oliverjia
     
  20. Brian K

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    oliverjia,

    In the Win8 install I suggest you create a Local Account rather than a Microsoft Account. Similar to a Win7 Local Account.

    When you later upgrade to Win8.1 you can avoid creating a Microsoft Account by entering a false email address and password. You will then be offered to create a Local Account. A Win8.1 upgrade takes about 15 minutes and after you have run Disk Cleanup you will have gained about 4 GB of Free Space in the partition. Strange.
     
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  21. oliverjia

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    Dear Brian,

    Thanks for the advice!
    Regarding the cleanup - in addition to temp files, it's possibly also removed some redundant Windows update stuff which sometimes can measure up to several GB.
     
  22. MPSAN

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    Quick question...

    Why would a backup fail a verify with an Error 205-image stream corrupt, reboot and try again.

    I did a reboot (Win XP) and all was OK.

    For extra credit :D Why does a validate (not byte for byte) take way longer when included after a backup, than when you do it after the backup is complete?
     
  23. MudCrab

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    It's possible something was read incorrectly or was corrupted at the time. Was anything else running or processing when the backup was validating? Does the log show any problems? Was the process priority changed lower?

    How much time is way longer? I've haven't noticed any real difference between them for the amount of data being validated. The estimated time for a validation can be high for backups that look large but don't end up large (small differential, for example). Does the log file also show the longer time for the validation part? Usually, the separate validation takes longer for differential/incremental images since it also reads the base file(s).
     
  24. MPSAN

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    No, nothing was running while doing my FULL Backup.

    I think a validate during backup takes about 12-14 minutes, but a verify only takes about 8 minutes. I am having a hard time getting backups as I ALWAYS used TI, but it has been freezing and not verifying. Even when using the boot cd, so I wanted to try IFW. So far IFW has not frozen, but I did have this one issue. Sometimes the log does show that the validate is about in line, time wise, with a separate validate.

    My system is older with 1 GB memory. Still, it should be OK.
     
  25. MudCrab

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    Can you post the complete log entry for the Backup & Validation operation and the separate Validation operation (you can just "xxx" out any personal info). Might see something.
     
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