NSA has direct access to tech giants' systems for user data, secret files reveal

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  1. blacknight

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    USA government should cease all those operations and apologize to UE. :mad:
     
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    http://webcache.googleusercontent.c....0...0.2...1c.1j2.18.psy-ab.LFVExcqE95c&pbx=1
     
  5. Pinga

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    http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/nsa-spied-on-european-union-offices-a-908590.html
     
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    ^ On the same topic; NSA spying on EU institutions in Washington and Brussels from The Guardian link;
    New ~Snip~ hitting fans every single day it seems.
     
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  7. siljaline

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    NSA slides explain the PRISM data-collection program
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/prism-collection-documents/
     
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    ~ And the story marches on like the Energizer Bunny ~

    Key US-EU trade pact under threat after more NSA spying allegations.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/30/nsa-spying-europe-claims-us-eu-trade

    Julian Assange: Edward Snowden is ‘marooned in Russia’
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...ed243e-e191-11e2-9960-65d66450db63_story.html

    NSA leaker Snowden can't leave Moscow: Ecuador president.
    http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/nsa-leaker-snowden-can-t-leave-moscow-ecuador-president-1.1347699

    Germany compares reported U.S. spying on EU offices to 'Cold War'
    http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/germany-compares-reported-u-s-spying-on-eu-offices-to-cold-war-1.1347623
     
  11. happyyarou666

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    damn thought this was old news wasnt this "news" months ago, btw not suprised one bit , to all those "innocent" people out there that dont have "anything to hide" hope this is the wake up call you needed if not well then you cant be helped sorry
     
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    All i can say as a back seat observer over all of this debacle is THEY REALLY DONE IT NOW.

    You would not believe the mad rush of peeps now grabbing up all sorts of encryption programs and apps for their mobile devices, laptops, desktops, etc. many of whom never even considered them before this.

    It's created a huge stir from my own little corner of the world all the way to local businesses, and what have you.

    Is it possible that next someone will create another method of diversion by way of a mouth encryption device so that when you speak no one understands the jumbo unless they have one too. LoL
     
  13. Pinga

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    Too bad your little corner of the world wildly differs from everything else I'm seeing. The "I've nothing to hide" mentality is still alive and well, so is the "I don't want to deal with encryption" one. There's really not a damned thing anyone but the government can do about all this, but that doesn't mean we should just say "screw it".

    Anyway, more NSA goodies. These people have been doing this a long, long time:

    http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...d-nsa-mass-surveillance-of-americans-in-1975/

    "Project SHAMROCK allowed the NSA to intercept telegrams sent by US citizens."
     
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    To play devils advocate, diplomats and the EU may not be terrorists, but if they think no one, including the NSA doesn't realize that these countries (including the U.S) don't make deals with and sometimes support the "lesser evil" for intel and political stability, they're not right in the head. No disrespect to Merkel, but we are in a cold war, the digital one. Her own agencies do the same thing the NSA, CIA and every other agency like them does.

    What you're really seeing with all these threats (the trade agreements are in fact not in danger...these countries aren't that stupid) and taking the U.S to the public whipping post boils down to a few very simple things. One, it's a chance to get on the U.S for always getting in and trying to mess with the business of everyone else. Second it's a way to make the U.S look bad for letting these things get out in the open and a moment to tell them "Control your people". Last, but not least, it's a way to hold the U.S over a barrel and get better trade deals, etc. In other words, the public whipping is one big political maneuver. That's all this whole thing is about as far as the world is concerned. The EU doesn't give a crap about U.S citizens being irate and they aren't looking to "right a wrong".

    That may suck to hear, but it is what it is. Meanwhile in Russia:

    Putin: "This is awesome, I love screwing with them. But I'd really like to get this guy out of here. Can we just "lose him"? Make up some charges and toss him in jail? No? Crap..we gotta get this guy out of here. I'm tired of these phone calls *rageface*

    Snowden: *keeps looking around in paranoia, shuffling feet* "I was not expecting this. Mommy?"
     
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    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/01/edward-snowden-statement-wikileaks-text
     
  18. siljaline

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    Putin slams Snowden for leaks, but says Russia will 'never' hand him over.
    http://www.theverge.com/2013/7/1/44...en-nsa-leaks-says-russia-wont-extradite-to-us

    George W. Bush Defends PRISM: 'I Put That Program In Place To Protect The Country'.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/01/george-bush-prism_n_3528249.html

    Misinformation on classified NSA programs includes statements by senior U.S. officials.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...5103a2-e028-11e2-b2d4-ea6d8f477a01_story.html

    Edward Snowden: Obama guilty of deceit over extradition.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/02/edward-snowden-barack-obama-wikileaks
     
  19. EASTER

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    I venture a guess that "my little corner of the world" isn't the only one.

    Consider this. If the N.S.A. isn't even capable of preventing highly classified data theft by their own personnel or just one of their chain of affiliates, whats to stop another breacher from systematically pulling even so called "insignificant" collateral collected data which very well may include online banking & various other "mined" transactions and it ends up being used to compromise accounts from individuals to businesses.

    Nothing to hide has absolutely nothing to do with it. People are simply wising up now to protecting their own interests and livelihoods in light of the government's utter failure to safely protect their own.
     
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    It's just my speculation, but I guess Snowden has not even arrived in Moscow...how can someone stay hidden in a plane (from HKG) and further in a Terminal for so many days?
    Living in the toilet?
     
  21. TairikuOkami

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    You did not see a movie The Terminal? It kind of explain his position. Even if he could leave, he has nowhere to go. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciByvddyHBs

    By the way, the Bolivian presidential plane had been forced to land in Austria, because they suspected, that he might be onboard. Link.
     
  22. Mman79

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    That's right, ruffle the feathers of Latin America too, real bright. No one wants to deal with Snowden now, he's a walking political bomb who isn't just a threat to U.S interests. Don't be shocked if someone ends up finding his body somewhere. The U.S might not authorize it (though they would if they thought they needed to), but other countries this guy is dealing with won't have any issue with it. The almost inevitable scenario now though ends up being Snowden finding himself back in the U.S with or without a trial and then thrown into a barred hole. If I'm Snowden, I'm probably starting to believe it to be the safer alternative.
     
  23. PaulyDefran

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    That's if you believe all the "stories". He's probably on a boat. And he isn't the story - the violations of the Constitution by the US, are.

    PD
     
  24. Mman79

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    Not everyone is lying or covering up, you just have to wade through the obvious political maneuvering to get to the information that really matters..and then do your own research through multiple sources to determine whether it makes sense or doesn't. Unless you're the NSA, GCHQ, etc, or you're Snowden, you're not going to get the whole picture regardless of where you get your information from. He's a part of the story, you can't just ignore one half of the story if you want to totally understand it. The Constitution? It's no longer relevant to the government. You forget that it can be amended at any time as well, and has been 27 times. It's also subject to interpretation by the government/Supreme Court and solely by the government/Supreme Court. U.S citizens aren't going through anything U.K, German, French, etc, aren't going through as well. If you want it stopped so bad, then you best not keep it a U.S issue. What you're dealing with is worldwide, and you and everyone else were warned years ago it was coming, all those lovely rights given back in 1789 be damned.
     
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