Trojan remover?

Discussion in 'other anti-trojan software' started by notageek, Mar 19, 2003.

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  1. notageek

    notageek Registered Member

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    Yeah, I'm glad he's doing that. There really still people running win95? Wow didn't know that.

    Hey Peakaboo, Do youi know if Proxo will work with WinXP?

    (I'm not trying to hijack this thread.) :D
     
  2. peakaboo

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    notageek,

    you got a hot topic here... :eek:

    Proxo should work fine with XP.

    I was trying to get you a link, but looks like SRL has changed the site a bit.

    At one time he had this note on his site, but can't find the link:

    System Requirements:

    Proxomitron was originally developed on a Pentium 120, and will work fine on such a system... It should also work fine on Win 95,98,ME,NT,2000, and XP.

    not sure how many are still out there running Win95 machines.

    Anyone who bought a pentium 166 or higher back in 1996 up to the time when Win98 was released, who did not upgrade to Win98 and who realize the limitation on internet is connection speed not processing speed may be in this category.

    Looking like M$ is wanting to pull support for W98 & ME machines to force the upgrade cycle.
     
  3. notageek

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    Thanks for the info Peakaboo. If you find the link let me know.
     
  4. peakaboo

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    notageek,


    link is here, under installation:

    System Requirements

    The Proxomitron was originally developed on a Pentium 120, and will work fine on such a system depending on your connection speed and the number and types of filters you use. Faster connections (like DSL and Cable) may require more CPU horsepower to filter. It should also work fine on Win 95,98,ME,NT,2000, and XP. However my ability to test on all platforms is limited. Please inform me if you do have any troubles here.
     
  5. notageek

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    Thanks Peakaboo.
     
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    Not realy and if it is very easy to detect using behaviour blocking and scanning methods. There are more interesting and effective ways to infect files. For example using software vulnerabilities ...
     
  7. bellgamin

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    The new thread on Trojan Remover got locked down, & diverted to here.

    Would Forum Admin take note that by closing the TR thread, you have -- for now, at least -- pretty much killed any discussion of TR. I'm sure that was not your intent, but it most definitely IS the result.

    Perhaps you haven't noticed that, even though this thread started out to discuss TR, it was taken over as an arena of debate between proponents of other AT's, such as TDS.

    I find this disappointing. I really wanted to read more discussion about TR. Such discussion won't ensue, I'm afraid, in this now-stale thread, especially since it was diverted far off-topic from discussion of TR.

    Well, I suppose no one is very interested in TR but me, any way.
     
  8. Firefighter

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    To Bellgamin from Firefighter!

    Don't give up! I use Trojan Remover too, it's very good when it doesn't have any resident scanner, so you can test some some AT:s too at the same time! :D

    Besides, when Trojan Remover got the fourth place in that VirusP 5 - 2003 test, it is not so bad at all after those checked 8 943 trojans and backdoors! ;)

    Remember, most of all are still using Norton, but that is not the same as the only truth! :D


    "The truth is out there, but it hurts!"

    Best Regards,
    Firefighter!
     
  9. Jooske

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    Bellgamin, whatever your intentions for your remarks, if you look carefull through the whole discussion you see nowhere people posting as opponents; postings from other developers are general informative and have nothing negative about TR or telliong not to use X because Y is better.

    In another posting series to Notageek for instance you can see clearly with your own eyes and everywhere in cases people are not sure they are adviced to please install the evaluation and take all time to try it out and shop around.
    I've seen nowhere ever any pushing, certainly not for the DCS products. May we tell what they do or don't do? Some comparison where adequate? May we correct when people say something which is not all real or warn them if a software is telling something which can't be made true or to explain what a function really means?
    It doesn't matter that we are moderating DCS forums overhere, people know to find us anyway but you can't tell we are hijacking threads because of posting here at all!
    Thanks for your understanding.
    And now please back to the TR discussion 5.0 5 or 6 or whatever so we get informed about users experiences too.


    What i'm getting clear little by little is at least databases of XXXX can mean mainly VBS or worms or RATs or other nasties for the various systems, so this is already hard to compare for a normal user, so i am really grateful developers specialists take time to explain and post here for us.
     
  10. Ph33r_

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    Trojan Remover v5.0.6 | 7057 unique Trojans Signatures / May 18, 2003
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    I’ve tested this Anti-Trojan System week-ago along with numerous other Anti-Trojan Systems, and here are Shared views from others on Wilders. This Anti-Trojan System doesn’t contain RTM, and this makes that product totally useless. And not to mention there is no Scanning of Packed/Crypted Trojans, and this also makes that product totally useless.

    However my own personal opinion is this Anti-Trojan System in-spite the fact it doesn’t contain RTM or Packed/Crypted Scanning capabilities, it’s got a very strong On-Demand Scanning System. It has “Scan for Active Trojans” Feature which is Detailed but very basic a new-comer could work this thing 100%, This Feature alone Scans WIN.INI, SYSTEM.INI, Registry, Active Setup..., NT/XP Services, VxD Entries, Global Start Group, User Start Groups, Services File..., Autoexec.bat....

    Application, Log System… Are beautifully Detailed, Example: 7057 "unique” trojan signatures.

    It has a lot of other handy Features also…

    However, its On-Demand Archive Scanning is flawed (For what little Archive format support it does have), very weak to put it nicely. Its On-Demand Drive Scanning is very slow; at least I’ve noticed it to be.

    It’s nice Anti-Trojan System though and that’s why I’ve kept it around as an Addition to my current Anti-Trojan System. ;)
     
  11. Paul Wilders

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    Thread has been closed indeed.

    Not really - Have a look at the post made just above this one ;)

    At times - useful - other comments are made. This doesn't in any way interferes with the initial thread issue. IMO that's the case on this thread.

    By all means; join the discussion - Ph33r has made some valid comments as you've might noticed.

    Doesn't seem that way to me ;)

    regards.

    paul
     
  12. xor

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    Wilders should open a new Forum for all the "professional" hobby-av/at-testers.
    Suggestion: "My private AV/AT Tests".

    "For what little Archive format support it does have" ... You know how long it takes to support Archive Unpack ? 2 Days for a fast developer to cover a whole row such as ARJ, LZH, RAR, ZIP, CAB, ACE eg.eg.eg.

    But it is not really a threat. That's why NOBODY EXCEPT YOU is complaining if a software does for instance "only" scan ZIP Archives. Not even NAV2003 does scan WINRAR 3.x Archives. Having archiv scan is of course a plus, but it is not as important as other things.
     
  13. Ph33r_

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    Hey xor

    You are right it’s not as important as other things, but if you going to implement Archive Scanning Features you should try cover the basics, and do it properly. You disagree implementing faulty Features is the way to-go?
     
  14. xor

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    A strong Heuristic / Behavior Scanning is much more importanter for instance.
    With this you can detect a lot of Trojans/Backdoors before they even released to public.
     
  15. Technodrome

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    I second that! ;)
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  16. Ph33r_

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    Ohh darn and here I though a Uninstaller is much more important… ;)
     
  17. xor

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    Ph33r_, are you going to make a serios discussion or are you going to make jokes if someone point's out the facts ?
    I feel really sorry that AntiTrojan does not have it, but this changes nothing on this fact that it's one of the most needed features.
    Such things are necessary for Viruses (to catch new, unknown viruses from a virus kit for instance) as well as for trojans.
    If a Backdoor is detected via Heuristic there is a pretty good chance that it stills detected even if a new version is released before all other only signatur / fingerprint based scanners knowing it after a update with the signs. This is called protection in a ahead way.
    Because no signature/fingerprint based scanner will detect it until the authors having this trojan. If they have him means that other people can have him as well already running on their machine.

    [-xor-]
     
  18. Ph33r_

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    LOL who mentioned anything about Anti-Trojan product? Man you are tripping.

    So can you show me where these Features are implemented at in "Trojan Remover" ?
     
  19. xor

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    So please enlighten me what should be a trojan scanner be able to do and who does this ?

    I will listening :D
     
  20. Imp

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    Hello, I am a user of Trojan Remover I bought after to have been a victim long time ago of a trojan betrayal.
    I want to say this product is fantastic for any users without any knowledge of this specific spreading.
    I have been talking many time with "Nigel" the sweedish or english creator of Trojan Remover, he told me the program were created to secure computers from a regular use in internet, that polymorphes viruses was not embaded into the program only because it will need to change all the scaning procedure, which is quite a lot of work to do.
    That you have only 5% of chance to get a trojan virus in your computer only because of the fact you need always to open a file in a email to get the spread... and everybody knows now not to open mails from unknown senders, especially with attached files...
    So I think this software is perfect in consideration of the fact it can restore a computer corrupted or damaged, and to do it alone.... In my knowledge, not so many programs can do that, I mean with trojan's !!!!
    So it's a perfect program to be used for peoples which don't know nothing about whatever is a trojan... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
     
  21. Paul Wilders

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    Imp,

    Well, ask him to join in this very nice and high quality thread :cool:.

    regards.

    paul
     
  22. JimIT

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    BOClean can as well, if you're talking about removing the trojan and cleaning up the registry, etc. after an activation.

    Doesn't require a reboot, either. :)
     
  23. Gavin - DiamondCS

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    Well there are trojans which require user intervention to remove correctly, that is fact. Just because everyone doesnt know of these things doesnt mean they dont exist ;)

    Disinfection of the latest trojans that are appearing is no simple task, I have a few that protect each others processes, a couple that dont get terminated, it just reloads if you do !, DLL injecting ones of course.. do any current products automatically remove an injected DLL and delete it ? Do they handle multiple instances and use methods other than just TerminateProcess then delete ?

    We are working very hard on disinfection methods and automating as much as possible :) Some of these trojans are proving to require additional removal features that weren't thought of before.. sadly. Everyone has a lot of work to do
     
  24. JimIT

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    With all due respect:

    No they don't.

    :D
     
  25. JimIT

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    Just as there are many viruses which require user intervention to remove correctly. :)

    I guess we can debate the merits of "surgical" removal of injected .dll's until we're blue in the face, but I'm not the AT expert, just the guy supporting 500 users. :)

    I guess my concern is that the trojan gets stopped, period. Particularly if the machine concerned is in the next building, or the trojan is activated during IT "off hours".

    If it has to be "bludgeoned", so be it. I can deal with the aftermath--but the systems need to stay up until I take 'em down. :)

    Believe me, I don't envy you guys--and you do have my admiration! :D
     
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