TrueImage 8 vs. Ghost 9?

Discussion in 'backup, imaging & disk mgmt' started by LuckMan212, Sep 7, 2004.

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  1. NOD32 user

    NOD32 user Registered Member

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    Used an earlier propriety 'GateWay' version of GoBack in the past and loved it.

    Ghost2003 also supported NTFS. I'm yet to trial it, but I understood Ghost2003 was able to do hardware RAID and SATA etc. so long as you included the appropriate (possibly DOS?) drivers in your Ghost2003 boot config.

    It's possible that the programmer responsible is no longer with Paragon, but I moved away from them entirely after a client pointed out to me that inside the CD images from one of their products were embeded phrases like 'angel of death'
     
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  2. frodiggs

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    wow, very interesting thread. my head is dizzy after 9 pages.

    I have one failing drive on a raid 0 array on a nforce2 board (silicon image 3112 chipset) w/ 32k block and 32k cluster partitioned C/D. I was close to getting TI8 but i hear ye- nay on this product.

    It seems i just need to try the trials and see what works.

    two quick questions:

    1. has anyone had TI8 succesfully work with this environment.
    2. in my case, i'd be introducing a new unformatted drive to an existing array. Is it best to recreate array (32k block), format it (32k cluster), partition it THEN proceed to restore with TI8 or IFW/IFD OR can the software format and partition the array from my state (one drive with data, one drive new)
     
  3. crockett

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    Hi;)

    Just to clarify...

    Something I've read (but can't remember where exactly in posts), and which has also been widely spread, is that Drive Image 2002 wouldn't work on WXP

    One thing is for sure: it DOES work perfectly well on XPSP1Family.

    Couldn't get it to work on WXPSP2 at a friend's house couple of hours ago, though. But the floppies did the trick anyway.

    Don't know about XPPro versions, but I suspect anything else than XPSP2 runs DI 2002 perfectly well, also when launched directly from Windows.

    Rgds, Crockett :cool:
     
  4. crockett

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    A quote from Re: Drive Image 2002- will it work w/XP PRO?
    (see https://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=58700 )

    Found it... and confirming.

    Well, to make a long story short from a couple of tests I conducted several weeks ago and anew today: In my experience, DI2002 works flawlessly on XPSP1. If upgrading to SP2, continues to work. BUT installing directly on SP2 spells trouble...

    Sorry if this may seem like already heard, but DI2002 is such a revert software (and deservedly so) that I thought it might be of some interest to restate the conclusion.

    Is Powerquest continuing software activities other than Drive Image (since DI has been sold to Symantec), or did the company sell all the other products too (Partition Magic, etc.) ?

    Rgds, Crockett :cool:
     
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  5. Anthony Ieronimo

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    From what I can tell, only TrueImage lets you make incremental backups to CDs. It seems that Ghost 9 allows incremental backups only to a hard drive. With Ghost 9, you can make a full backup to CD, but not an incremental backup (unless you can stand the inconvenience of sending each incremental backup to the hard drive first and then burning it manually to CD). It seems to me that Ghost 9 has a major limitation in this respect, and that TrueImage is therefore the better program.

    Also, a minor point is that Ghost 9 requires an external drive to be turned on during the system boot -- or else the drive won't be recognized. For TrueImage, it does not seem that a boot with the drive turned on is needed.

    At any rate, TrueImage seems to provide a smoother ride all around compared to Ghost 9. But TrueImage's ability to make incremental backups to CDs is its strongest advantage over Ghost.
     
  6. onclejean

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    In Windows XP Pro I used Drive Image 7 which became Ghost 9 and it worked well until I installed SP2 when I could not longer use it.
    Then I switched to Acronis Ture Image 8 and it has worked fine for my sytem which has both SATA and IDE drives. Image backups of about 16 GB take about 20 minutes to make and double that time to restore.
    The clone facility is very neat, starting in Windows, auto shutting down Windows to do some work in a DOS environemnet and the auto restarting Windows using the clone as the system disk. The original disk can be reenabled in Windows Disk Management if the clone is to be used as a backup disk.
     
  7. ImageVisitor

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    Hi ;)

    What do you think about Acronis's speed at restoring? I always found it rather slow compared to Ghost and Drive Image.... Several times slower, actually.

    Curious to hear your experience and opinion about it...

    I still happily use Drive Image 2002 on SP2 ;)

    Thanks
    Cheers
     
  8. budfox

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    I tired using ghost w/ a raid 0 config.....and big surprise, ghost doesnt support raid. Tried trueimage w/ a maxtor USB backup dirve and have had no problems. Supports raid and the USB drive. I have had to reimage the drive twice and both have run perfectly.

    I have found it best that if the label says Norton, stay the hell away.
     
  9. onclejean

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    I cannot compare because DI2 will not work in Windows XP Pro with SP2. Compared with Ghost 9, which is not reliable, True image 8 is much faster
     
  10. ImageVisitor

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    Hi; Thanks

    I run XP Family, so I couldn't tell about XPPro

    The way I'm still able to use 2002 on SP2 is because I installed it on SP1 and then (and only then) I upgraded to SP2. I agree installing DI2002 on SP2 wouldn't do.

    Whatever the software, this imaging thing is quite an amazingly useful concept - it changed my computer experience ! I bet it changed yours, too :)

    Rgds
     
  11. alkjdlfja

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    The Novell ZENworks Imager works really well.

    You will need a Netware server though for versions 4 though 6. I think 3.2 might work without a server from a ZEN boot CD, and it should be okay for saving since it will restore.

    As for NTFS, I don't know about Zen Imaging 3.2. I can tell you version 4 and 6 work perfect. You do have to create a partition and format it fat32 or ntfs then you can restore whatever you want too it.


    A free program I really like a lot is partimage for Linux. It has experimental NTFS support, which always works for me. If it makes the image it can almost certainly restore the image. It takes a bit of practice to use this product unfortunatly it is not for the layman. You must specifiy the type of compression, comments... how you want to split files...

    Only saves used sectors. Free Space not backed up!

    You obviously need Linux or a Live Boot CD (perfect for restores)

    What PartImage does not do is save your partition table or Master Boot Record.

    You can ofcource do somthing like:

    dd if=/dev/hda of=hda.mbr count=1 bs=512

    The above will save the first 512 bytes of your hard disk, which typically is your physical partitions and other necessary data.

    BAsically the line above says do a raw read/write
    Read the first 512 bytes from the Primary IDE drive and save it to a file called hda.mbr in the current working directory.

    Obviously, you will need an ext3 partition to save this file or an image too.


    YOu can then do something like this:

    sfdisk -d /dev/hda > partitions.hda

    Save a text file with all the partition information in it to a file called partitions.hda in the current working directory.


    To restore, all you have to do is dump the MBR to the hard disk, dump the partition table, then use partimage to restore the image.

    I actually scripted the dumping of the mbr...
     
  12. budfox

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    In terms of speed, It takes me 1:30 hours to do a full restore. I am using a Maxtor USB 2.0 drive...I am sure I could cut off a few mins w/ Firewire, but for me an hour and a half isnt bad considering that to do a full reinstall used to take me about a full day.

    I cannot stress enough how worth it to invest in a external drive and some backup software!!
     
  13. Loul

    Loul Guest

    I'm back guys :)

    I'm now considering a slightly different task : hard disk cloning.

    You would think most image proggies would do this by default but no (I mean directly not restoring from a third HD to the one you want to clone to).

    So what proggie would you recommend for that precise task (would be best if it could work to a a USB2/Firewire external HD).

    Thanks
     
  14. onclejean

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    I recomend Acronis True Image v 8. You can make the clone in Windows and Acronis will then shutdown Windows and modify the boot.ini in the clone so that becomes the new system disk.

    Then Acronis boots you back into Windows. When Windows is loaded you are finished with Acronis. From the Desktop GO
    Start\Adminatrative Tools\Computer Management\Disk Management\
    You will see your clone as the system disk and the old system disk as not in use. With Disk Management you can enable the old system disk and modify its properties to suit your purpose, either to keep it in use or, remove one or other disk when you next shut down Windows.
     
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