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Discussion in 'backup, imaging & disk mgmt' started by Stigg, Apr 15, 2014.

  1. tyee

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    So even when my system is uefi, IFW still worked OK. Should I have purchased IFU instead of IFW?
     
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  3. Brian K

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    I tried copying partitions in IFL again. The internal Win11 to the USB SSD scenario. USB Win11 failed to boot again but fixed by a BCD Edit in BIU.
     
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    Is that a bug TB should fix?
     
  5. Brian K

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    In IFL usbboot.tbs there is a warning about Linux not necessarily identifying the Windows boot partition. So IFL is not a first choice app for this procedure.

    Edit... The warning says "Caution: script not running from Windows. For UFD, the System Drive won't be assigned correctly".
     
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  6. moredhelfinland

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    On my test PC, dual booting windows and linux. I'm using Macrium. When restoring and rebooted the system, there's grub error. Wtf? Managed to get grub loader back by using live linux and os-prober.
    Seems that Macrium cannot restore PBA(pre-boot auth).
    So on my system:
    1) PBA auth by Jetico Volume Encrypt
    2) Linux and windows UEFI bootloader

    Wtf when restoring an macrium imagefile, does not restore PBA UEFI ****.
     
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    Brian taught me how to use it. :D Best software ever. :thumb:
     
  8. moredhelfinland

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    What's even funny, when restoring with macrium. Now i have to double click any folder, chrome etc. Why in fkn earth macrium does that. Its a fkn joke.
    Sure i know how to set back to single click...anyways...go away macrium...go away.
     
  9. Brian K

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    moredhelfinland,

    Again, I can't help. I don't use Macrium or grub as a bootloader or encryption.

    Edit... In my computers, Grub is used for the Linux OS (multi-boot) but the Windows OS boot independently of Grub.
     
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  10. pb1

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    @Brian K

    Hi.

    Could you please take a look at my post #2012 and tell me why i experience what i do.
     
  11. Brian K

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    pb1,

    I just tried a restore using IFW 3.64 TBWinRE.wim. I didn't see the issue you described.
    Could you try "Restore the original Windows Recovery Environment (WinRE)" It's in the build process of TBWinRE. On The Build Type window.

    Then build another TBWinRE.wim.
     
  12. pb1

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    I will try but it will probably not work.

    This is the story; some months ago i was on 3.62 and saw that 3.64 was out, i had missed the one between, so i downloaded .64. Uninstalled .62 and installed .64 and did a restore and saw the former mentioned. 2 different frames that had to be confirmed in the restore environment making the restore not automatic. The first is a reminder that everything gets erased the second is about restarting when it is finished. So i uninstalled and went back to .62 - no issue. Thought that i might have been some anomali happening so i did the above procedure again. Same result. So i stayed with .62 for a while. Due to a misadventure i lost my saved .62 exe version in my store and former backups with it so when trying the mentioned yet another time and realizing that, i was out of option. Got angry and erased the working image.

    Moving forward until today.
    I did a clean W11 Home install and installed .64 with the same result, confirmation has to be done. I have tried all that i know i can with no result. Even tried a trial version of .64 which works ok besides the usual counting down of seconds. So if you have a copy of .62 or .63 i can try and use i would be glad.
     
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    Tried it, again, on my other pc with a fresh untampered W11 Home installation, same thing. 2 items that has to be confirmed.
    So if you have a copy, or anyone else reading this have copy of .62 of IFW i would be very grateful. Very.

    I suppose i have to post on their forum about this to get a solution and let then know.
     
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    Uploading 3.62 right now!
    Also uploading 3.63 in case you want to try.
    Use an adblocker when you click on the download link.
    Code:
    https://krakenfiles.com/view/C9ioCoINyO/file.html
    
    Code:
    https://krakenfiles.com/view/MEW2TVwBDx/file.html
    
     
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  15. pb1

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    Thank you!!

    I guess you have read my posts and conversation with Brian K so you know my issue. With the .63 it worked without any problem so no confirmations, just like in the past. Mysterious this is.

    I suppose you use .64 without any issues?
     
  16. Mr.X

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    When I do restore a system image (currently on Wndows 7 x64), the restore type I use is "Normal" not "Automatic"
    afterwards after clicking some steps and notification dialogs the machine restarts to TBWinRE
    then the restore operations begins straightforwardly without any notification or confirmations to click whatsoever
    after that, the machine reboots once again entering into Windows desktop
     
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    Ok.

    Thanks again!
     
  18. myk1

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    I am an old user of TB products. Very very good products.
    While restoring an image there is the option :
    /rft
    Use this parameter to have Image for Windows restore the first track when it restores the partition. Restoring the first track may also change the disk type (MBR/EMBR/GPT) of the destination drive if it doesn’t match that of the source drive (the restore will abort if the change is required and cannot be applied). Default if omitted: Image for Windows does not restore the first track.
    I have some questions...!
    -If the restore is "automatic" I suppose that the first track is not restored >>am I right?!
    -Do SSD's have a "first track" as HDD's have ? not physically of course, but logically?
    -And, in the UEFI world, what is present on the first track ?
    Thanks...
     
  19. Brian K

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    myk1,

    As you know there are hundreds of backup/restore switches. They cover specific situations that I never encounter. I've used /RFT once or twice to restore a Linux image, many years ago. /RFT hasn't been used since. I think in most cases IFW decides what you need to make the restore work and does it anyway.

    An "Automatic" restore means IFW will choose the Target partition and Restore Options it thinks will be correct and doesn't ask you for confirmation. It saves a few seconds of clicking. I never use it.

    The First Track is the first 63 sectors of the drive and relates to old CHS mechanical drives. With MBR disks, LBA 0 is the MBR which contains boot code, partition table and disk signature. LBA 1 onwards are usually empty. BIBM puts data in LBA 1 onwards and this is called Extended MBR. EMBR.

    The MBR partition table can hold 4 Primary partitions. EMBR can hold over 200 Primary partitions.

    In GPT disks, the First Track contains...

    Protective MBR
    Primary GPT Header
    Partition table

    The GPT partition table can hold 128 Primary partitions.

    When IFW says it is restoring the First Track, I suspect it's doing something smarter than just restoring 63 sectors. It will restore what it thinks needs to be restored. Whether asked or not.
     
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  20. Brian K

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    A test with a MBR disk containing a Win11 partition.
    An Entire Drive image was created.
    Booted into TBWinRE.
    In Diskpart, CLEAN was run on the SSD.
    Sector Edit confirmed that the SSD no longer had a First Track.
    IFW was used to restore a Win11 partition image. /rft was not selected. An Entire Drive image was not restored.
    After the restore, Sector Edit was used to check the SSD. There was a valid LBA 0 so IFW had realized a First Track was needed even though I hadn't selected the option.

    Win11 booted normally.
     
  21. myk1

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    Hi Brian,
    Thank you for all this information. Personally I have never used this software with the command line. If I have indicated the switch it was to be clearer.
    Very recently, I had to do some restorations (UEFI mode) and each time I am lost in front of the next window because I never quite know what to tick...
    https://zupimages.net/up/24/13/6z9p.jpg

    Can you enlighten me on this?! Thks..
     
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  22. Brian K

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    mrk1,

    Apologizes for using /rft. I should have said "Restore First Track". That's the box we see in the Options list.

    Most of us will be using UEFI Systems. There are 4 partitions that need to be backed up...

    ESP
    MSR
    Windows
    RE

    So we will do a Multi-partition or Entire drive backup/restore procedure. When you come to the Restore Options screen, accept the defaults already with ticks. My Restore defaults are Enable Boot Drivers and Log Results to File. I also select Write Changed Sectors Only when restoring to a SSD. It's no faster but it reduces writes to the SSD. The other boxes don't apply to you.

    If you backup those 4 partitions then you are covered for both software or drive failure issues.
     
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  23. Brian K

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    One thing to mention. IFW Simple mode. It's brilliant and it's for everyone. Beginners to experts. Don't believe you are too experienced to use Simple mode.

    3 clicks to backup. 3 clicks to restore. You don't have to look at Options. It really is that simple.
     
  24. myk1

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    Thks again. I have to say (now..) that after realizing that I was not smart enough to decide what to choose, I selected 'simple operations'. With success but without knowing what IFW had chosen for me. Which bored me a little. I like to understand what is really going on.
    Do you think that IFW automatically chooses the 'Write Change Sector' option while restoring on an SSD?!
     
  25. n8chavez

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    It can't, unless you have it created hashes while it creates an image. IFW doesn't use a service driver, like Macrium Reflect does. So in order to know what's changed and what's the same it needs that hash file.
     
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