Windows Defender Is Becoming the Powerful Antivirus That Windows 10 Needs

Discussion in 'other anti-virus software' started by Secondmineboy, Jan 30, 2016.

  1. xxJackxx

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    I see it as a copy of what Linux does when it needs administrative access. In that case there is no yes/no ok/cancel button, you get to type the password. Every single time.
     
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    Last full scan I did was 9 minutes and 59 seconds, I'll check the quick scan when I get home.
     
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    Oh dear me @xxJackxx, i couldn't handle that at all.
     
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    1 minute and 50 seconds here...
     
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    I find that they usually vary. Usually pretty short, occasionally up to 6-9 minutes maybe.
     
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    The quick scan was 3 minutes and 15 seconds.
     
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    OK, my Windows 11 drive is installed and...blech.:thumbd:

    Windows 10 quick scan--29 seconds. Windows 11 quick scan--2 minutes 12 sec. Similar amounts of stuff scanned. 39K+ Intel i9 processor and nvm-e drive.

    ] win11 quick scan.png

    But then, other Windows functions on here like sfc and dism take MUCH longer to complete in 11 also. Some keep saying: if you don't have an Intel 13th gen. cpu, don't bother w/Windows 11. Right. I'll keep it around anyway for the heck of it.
     
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    That's too bad and really a disappointment that Microsoft didn't see to it that responsiveness is the key and that goes the same for other software's i assume which are equally important.

    My Windows 10 DELL is ready for the upgrade but i have to really study more on potential let downs like yours from others across the broad spectrum of users of it.
     
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    I've not seen that claim. Seems to run fine on my 10th gen i9. I've even hacked it to run on a 4th gen i7 and it seems fine. If there are issues it is likely something else or some combination of factors.
     
  10. plat

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    Pfft, I see it quite often. It's a core-thing, it seems. It is what it is.

    If the OS isn't corrupt what else could it be?

    Although, I haven't reinstalled the OS since...never. Maybe that would cure it. If it was the daily, I would do it. But it's not so it's not an urgent matter at all. Just an eye-opener to see the difference there.

    Everyone's setup varies. I wish I could conjure up the liking for 11 some others have.
     
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    How is Windows 11 responsiveness. In any unit or computer rig it would seem, and it does come down somewhat to what (for lack of a better term) horsepower if you will, and the memory (other internal hardware) to reach an O/S's maximum quickness with absolutely no lag.

    Which also i would have to say Windows famous one & only driving force for it's GUI, Explore.exe.
     
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    Seems fine. It was actually faster than Windows 10 on the 4th gen. Replacing Defender with Kaspersky sped it up even more. On the i9 I don't notice much difference between 10 and 11. Windows 11 does seem more consistent on the 4k monitor than 10. Less scaling issues.
     
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    Possibly drivers or software the PC doesn't like. I've seen drivers for Wi-Fi cards that otherwise seemed to work cause issues that took a while to identify. System ran fine after removing the card.
     
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    That is a very important detail @xxJackxx - As some suspect, even if WD might become or already is, relatively adequate there's an obvious hit on resources. Thank You
     
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    Hmmm. I will have to look into this, seriously. I'd forgotten that some drivers needed to be updated specifically for 11. Maybe some Intel chipset drivers need updating--sorry to say this drive is woefully neglected. Thanks for the reminder. Next time, definitely.

    I doubt it's Defender, though. In some areas like games opening and such, 11 is slightly faster.
     
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    The Quick Scan, for me at least, on Win 11 21H2 has no consistency. Scan times can run from a couple minutes to about nine minutes, with number of files scanned ranging from about 19k to 45k. Go figure? I don't care because it runs in the background and all I notice is an increase in laptop fan speed while it runs.
     
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    Linux has got it perfectly right. The idea is to limit the ability to make significant system changes to only those who can do so responsibly.
     
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    OK so you would take most of these tests with a grain of salt, by the lack of testing done with true zero days, if I understood correctly.

    And I also wonder if these test take into consideration how hackers would try to bypass and even terminate security tools. On the PC Security Channel I saw Malwarebytes being terminated by Ryuk while tamper protection was enabled.

    Although it does seem that the anti-ransomware test done by SE Labs against CrowdStrike Falcon seems to be quite comprehensive. On the other hand, they tested only 9 samples which were used in real life to attack organizations.

    https://selabs.uk/reports/enterprise-advanced-security-ransomware-crowdstrike-2022-oct/
     
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    This brings up an idea for a more trustworthy AV testing model: The tester would go out and purchase the latest available versions of each of the programs to be tested, making money from selling the information to those who wish to know (individuals, cybersecurity pros, government agencies and other companies, websites). This would eliminate the incentive to treat AV vendors with kid gloves.
     
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    Yes this would be false positives. Not that those should be taken lightly. Their last false positive adventure had me having to restore a disk image.
     
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    Through their SmartScreen feature, but I don’t know how it actually works. Probably only with Edge.
     
  25. Rasheed187

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    Oh I see, so it's more related to SmartScreen. And yes, I believe this only works on Edge.
     
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