Windows Defender Is Becoming the Powerful Antivirus That Windows 10 Needs

Discussion in 'other anti-virus software' started by Secondmineboy, Jan 30, 2016.

  1. xxJackxx

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    That... is awesome. :eek:
     
  2. Rasheed187

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    Perhaps you should make a video about this? Because I also can't picture how this would work. I assume all of the steps that you mention happens after you click on the .exe file or is this script based? You would hope that WD's cloud would step in.
     
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    I am aware of course, but that is why I have stated 100 times on this site that the ultimate security is a daily image backup. And the argument that your banking information can be stolen so the backup is after the fact does not hold water for the vast majority of users. I have never had malware in in 42 years of using PCs and my guess is that 95% of other users have had the same experience.
     
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    Agreed. That can happen with any setup. That said a hacker is more likely to get your banking info from your bank than from you. Or through a successful phishing attempt that security software didn't protect you from because it can't think for you. Backing up is still the best option for returning to a working PC.
     
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    I'm not sure if you understood me. But all I'm saying is that if these 3 or 4 extra programs can save me from an infection even if it's only once in 5 or 10 years, I still think it's worth it. AV's will never be able to block 100% of all malware. The CCleaner attack was a nice example of how a highly unlikely attack could have been disastrous for millions of home users. But we got lucky that they were only interested in industrial espionage.
     
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  8. xxJackxx

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    I hope this means it no longer locks up my PC for 30 seconds or longer when I open a network share.
     
  9. Brummelchen

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    i am not sure if this is caused by defender. you can exclude shares (maybe only by registry)
     
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    no one should care because it seems fixed to defender, there exist no comparison to other antivirus products. so what? Don Quixote did similar.
     
  12. xxJackxx

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    Already did that. Didn't fix it. Installing something else does.
     
  13. Brummelchen

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    i dont have such issue between my computers which are also shared network drives. you need to be specific in a new thread. something else? maybe, maybe not.
     
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    Installing and uninstalling something else frequently, is likely the cause for your issues.
    I would setup Windows from scratch, not using an image.
    Do it, be happy and calm, for a while.
     
  15. Brummelchen

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    could also be a matter of power mode settings. Windows Search as service is disabled here, too slow for me (i notice this anytime at work where i am forced to use it). searching network drives is pain.
     
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    Yes I saw it, so is this proof that Win Defender isn't all that. I didn't read the whole thread but how on earth can malware make exclusions? That's why I always use my extra protection tools. This stuff is easily stopped by a third party firewall and behavior blocker.
     
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    Well, I saw it too. I think she made the point to mention the "Defender by itself is all you need" gang that can get very shrill and vocal at times. The video is clear. Take it or leave it.

    According to him, Andy Ful's FirewallHardening module of Hard_Confugrator can also assist in blocking the outbound activity of the info stealer. Better still: keeping the Tamper Protection enabled in the Windows Security UI. Makes sense to me. :thumb:
     
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    The trouble with this, if I understand correctly from the thread, is that Tamper Protection won't protect Exclusions, at least for Home users, thus it won't protect against this malware type.
     
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    Tamper protection (which was shown to be enabled in the video) will prevent Defender from being disabled, as well as preventing either Real Time or Cloud protection from being turned off. But as Wat0114 points out, it will not prevent the addition of rules (like Exclusions) from being generated.

    As to the utility of WF, it wouldn't help at all if the malware dropped (and excluded) was ransomware (and on Win11 WF can be both deactivated and have rules added or deleted anyway).
     
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    Isn't it weird that Windows doesn't protect WD and WF from tampering with rules and exclusions? That's why I always used Windows Firewall Control which does have a feature that will block apps from adding firewall rules. And I'm not sure if DefenderUI can do the same when it comes to apps adding exclusions.
     
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    I don't know that it's weird, it is a problem with a lot of products. I'm just disappointed. You'd think it would be a higher priority to do so.
     
  22. Rasheed187

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    I'm afraid it's probably also the reason why many companies are getting hacked successfully. AV's in general are probably too easy to bypass. On the other hand, if this was really the case wouldn't we see more malware infections in the home user space? Or perhaps hackers in general are much more focused on companies since that's where the big bucks are to be made.
     
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    This stuff is for profit these days. They aren't going to get much out of getting into my PC. :eek:
     
  24. cruelsister

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    Although this malware was a stealer, the same routine will work quite well with ransomware..
     
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    What I find weird is, people, especially the ones on this forum still think that WD is a viable solution, when it has failed miserably time and time again...
     
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