Windows Defender Is Becoming the Powerful Antivirus That Windows 10 Needs

Discussion in 'other anti-virus software' started by Secondmineboy, Jan 30, 2016.

  1. Bertazzoni

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    Indeed, and not only this one. But layered setups are also a hobby as mentioned above. Same with browser configurations.
     
  2. EASTER

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    Your looking at one of those hobby/research types who always have implemented 'layering' since, i don't know, beginning with Windows 98SE and carries over onto XP. Although (since i totally skipped Win7) (i couldn't tell anyone jack about Win 7) my preferred choice was waiting out for 8 then 8.1 and been pleased ever since. I mean i can't even get excited with a brand new Windows 10 Dell i have.

    My 8.1 is somewhat layered but only with bits and pieces of monitoring apps but nothing of any consequence that loads/taxes it's energy to any degree worth mentioning.

    Back on subject though, as a long time user of Windows i really wanted to see Windows Defender innovative and user settings friendly but perhaps if they actually did master an airtight Windows from malware that could knock out or make obsolete AV and really many others of the PC Security industry.

    That's why i've always looked on and considered Windows since it's inception as designed as a Basic Framework O/S of sorts for it's customers/user's to add software and spread business to those makers to do the footwork Windows lacks and such. I'm trying NOT to overthink it but Windows Defender still has plenty of wiggle room to continue improve. (and it's built in) - I for one only wish against hope that they would have renewed an introduced a new stronger Windows Defender for 7 and 8 series which isn't going to happen.
     
  3. wat0114

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    Maybe Microsoft actually cares about 3rd party AV vendors, so they attempt a balancing act by keeping Defender just good enough to be a solid AV solution, but not so great that it would wipe out the AV industry. Perhaps they might also be trying to avoid antitrust lawsuits.
     
  4. Osaban

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    As far as I'm concerned if third party AVs go out of business, I would think it's about time for this to happen, they've been making billions out of FUD, and this is a very personal view, but I think there is a real connection between these companies and 'professional' malware writers...
     
  5. wat0114

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    Sure but based on much of what I read from several members in this forum, there seem to be some really good products out there that they prefer over Defender. Kaspersky and Eset are two that come to mind.
     
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    About rarity, I think anything above 0 is not good news. And what's commonplace now was rare once.
     
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    It's something that I read in recent articles, i.e., development of malware that don't need user interaction, that attacks embedded software, that can steal data before encrypting them, and so on.
     
  8. Bunkhouse Buck

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    With a plethora of pop-ups as well. I have had about 2 Defender pop-ups since I started using WD and I have used it from the inception. It is silent and does not interfere with my work.
     
  9. wat0114

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    I'm happy with Defender, especially since I augmented it with Hard_Configurator.
     
  10. reasonablePrivacy

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    I think that a little bit of paranoia while and after security incident actually hits somebody personally is justified.
    In my country there is a proverb that can be translated to English’s
    misfortunes never come singly
     
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    Update 1.373.1524.0 is out,
    but does not fix this issue.
     
  13. digmor crusher

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    Strange, I'm running 1524 and do not have this issue.
     
  14. plat

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    Well, I forced another update and currently, the versions:

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    Edit: Installed Chrome just now and ran a Defender quick scan--no issues.
    Edit#2: updated to 1.373.1537.0--the issues appear to be fixed, based on the preliminary reports of others who were affected. Good.
     
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  15. Lagavulin16

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    Considering Microsoft's insatiable appetite for profit, I'm rather sure their CFO and more than a few of their accountants would grin at being portrayed as the humble and humanitarian sharers of the market.
     
  16. roger_m

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    But as of right now it is very rare, which means that it's highly unlikely that you will be infected solely by visiting an infected website. I doubt that will change any time soon. I visit all sorts of random websites, have the web protection in my antivirus disabled and never get infected.
     
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    Well, AV's are nothing but alarm systems, so I don't think you should look at it as FUD. So far I have never had a home break-in, but that doesn't mean it will never happen, so I have still installed an alarm, just in case. And I don't think that most people actually read all of these stories about malware attacks on smartphones and PC's. It's people on WSF that do.

    I agree, it is quite rare, but does this mean we should stop discussing it on this forum? I believe for most of us computer security is a hobby, but I wouldn't call myself truly paranoid anymore, back in 2008 I already came to the conclusion that with the right security tools and safe computing habits, it's not easy to get infected. What I do think is overrated is installing patches on home user machines, that has caused me more problems than malware.
     
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    I keep hearing that: it's rare, so don't worry. Also, I visit lots of sites and never get infected.

    And then I remember that what's rare before no longer becomes rare later, and that one cannot tell if one is infected because malware can work silently and undetected in the background.
     
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    I don’t see it coming in foreseable future. Major Web browsers have strong sandboxes, are looking at ways to improve them even more and release security fixes quickly.
     
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    I expect it is entirely that last sentence. We all remember Internet Explorer and Windows Media Player.
     
  23. EASTER

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    True. Windows external security evolution started with AV's and then HIPS came on the scene and put a stopper/plug right in those malware distortions, then 32 bit changed to x64 and the HIPS began to drop out. The AV's picked up many of those HIPS techniques to incorporate into their products. Fun part is that in-between all that Virtualization Programs took up the Torch and offered an even better protection/solution to malware. What is interesting to me is where we find ourselves today, some 10-20 years later- crypto malware using LoLBins.

    Your just not whistling dixie about that @Rasheed187 - I have experienced more of a feud with those MS patches fouling things up then any malware-which by the way i not seen happen locally for many years nor expect to again. It literally takes trying to infect my machine myself (with proper precautions in place) then any outside interference could ever accomplish. I also have more issues when those patches foul up matters.
     
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  24. wat0114

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    Haha, yeah, my first sentence was mostly tongue in cheek :D They care more about themselves than the AV industry.
     
  25. blacknight

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    Agree. I'm using again Seven on a pc: as you know, it's discontinued from January 2020, no upddates, but I have a multilayered defense and I never had infections or issues.
     
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