Sandboxie-Plus Vintage View

Discussion in 'Sandboxie (SBIE Open Source) Plus & Classic' started by DavidXanatos, Jul 6, 2022.

  1. DavidXanatos

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    For better clarity with the next build this view will be called "Vintage View" i think that is even better than legacy

    And in the Vintage view the box option dialog also switches from the regular nested tab view to a tree view
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    Perfect. :thumb:
     
  3. bo elam

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    Good. My Windows title bar color is default color, I did not changed it in Personalization.
    My issue with displaying sandboxes in various colors is not only because it makes Plus look like a toddler toy but because the colors are distracting. Besides that, no one should need colors to remind them how a sandbox is setup. You should know by heart the why and how your sandboxes are setup.

    David, In Classic (and remember, if you are going to call it Classic, please make it as close as possible to the old and original Sandboxie, otherwise, what is the point for creating this view), In Classic view, are Sandboxes going to remain standard Sandboxie yellow regardless of how they are setup by the user?

    Example: If I setup a sandbox with Drop rights, Start Restrict it and allow only 1 program to access the internet, Is this sandbox going to remain standard Sandboxie yellow? Let me know, please.
    Not yet, David. I got all I need in 5.55.21. I want no more than what I get in 5.55.21. I don't really want to try the Plus UI, I want Classic/traditional/vintage/legacy old SBIE. Version 5.55.21 (or its currently updated version) is as close as we can get to the old Sandboxie. I thank you for 5.55.21 and thank you for your effort in trying to accommodate and incorporate our desires into this new view you are developing. But I will try Classic view when current Classic dies, or perhaps earlier than that, but after Classic view is a done deal.

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    @bo elam Thank you so much for your contributions on these threads. "I got all I need in 5.55.21." Let's wait and see if there's eventually if not already a protection level differential between the "old school" and "new school" versions based on @DavidXanatos's comment "I think it may be time to try the plus UI..."
    And please mind you all, no cynicism nor pessimism intended here. The question remains...
     
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    For most people various visual aids are very useful and most people do not always memorize how everything is set up.
    Anyhow I can change it such that in the classic (now called vintage) view the boxes will always be yellow.

    Well that is what I'm doing but obviously this is a process hence it will take some time and some iterations.
    Obviously some input from a sandboxie veteran would help a long way to tell apart those aspects of the classic UI which are relevant from those which are not.
    Remember the 20/80 rule by which you can get 80% of the result by investing only 20% of the work...
    I'm sure there are more then enough fringe aspects of the the classic UI which can be neglected without being an issue for most of the users.

    I will set it up this way for the next build.

    Currently in 1.2.1 it would switch to orange in 1.3.x it would remain yellow, as orange will be re purposed.
    Anyhow in the builds to come including the first public 1.3.x it wel be set such that in classic view all boxes will be yellow, see this preview:

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    hmm.... well this sounds to be honest quite unthankful, after I took the time to make a UI that might fulfill your needs you could at least take some time to test it and give in depth feadback
    here the newest build: xanasoft.com/Downloads/Sandboxie-Plus-x64-v1.2.1-CV.zip
    you can run it with your existing installation of sandboxie without any installation.
    Just unpack and start sandman.exe
     
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    bo elam: Is there anything that can persuade you to change your mind?
     
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    And, so, as an afterthought, there still currently exists two download options between "classic" and "plus." Moons if not that many ago I stopped updating when it was published that there were anomalies with Vivaldi (my default browser) and Sanboxie.
    @DavidXanatos will there remain an option to download "classic" and "plus" as two viable options in the relatively distant future? And if so, will there be any protection level differences between one flavor or the other??
    I seem to recall many posts in the past (never mind moons) that the "plus" version would in fact be the most robust choice in the mix. Inquiring minds may want to know with nary the intent to ruffle any feathers.
    Thanks in advance.
     
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    Honestly, though, and not to speak out of turn... but *if* there are no differences in the protection offered between the two versions on the table, why should there be a "change of mind" to consider?
     
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    No, not at all. It was more a matter of curiosity--why someone prefers one style over another with such conviction. I tried "Vintage" recently and just could not acclimate myself to it again after a year. Even though the developer stated he would be maintaining both styles, sometimes I wonder still.

    One thing: the Sandboxie topic is a little too splintered to follow properly. I'm not a sophisticated user like many here are but it's a challenge sometimes to keep up with all the developments.
     
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    OK, thanks bjm_ but stuff gets added in other posts in addition to all the info in your link. I'll just try to pay attention more. :)
     
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    The paragon of modesty... all due respect. :)

    So many points to take into consideration. Point(s) well made. ;)
     
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    I think yellow is the proper color for the background of the sandbox because it gives continuity to the program and more importantly because the red dots are easy to spot on a yellow background. The dots and spotting the dots as well as the red cross when files are being deleted are important functions in Sandboxie so the yellow background helps to spot this functions easily.
    I can tell you why that is. Many people using Sandboxie Plus, here in this forum, perhaps tried Sandboxie....for a day or so (years ago), uninstalled it and now they are trying it again. You might remember, in a PM I sent you not long ago, I told you that perhaps the SBIE user now is a new SBIE user, and what you are doing with the program is attractive to them. So, all the changes and new things that you are creating, developing and implementing into Sandboxie is attractive, liked and welcomed by them (The New Sandboxie user). But on the other hand, to a user like me, someone who has been around SBIE for a very long time, you will not sell any of this new stuff.
    Looks pretty. :)
    No, I am not unthankfull. I thanked you twice at the end of the post you are quoting me from. Believe me when I tell you, I appreciate what you are doing. Without you, I wouldn't be using Sandboxie anymore, you dont think I know that.

    When I get to install Plus with Vintage view, I want it to stay. I don't want to just test it. Remember, a couple of months ago when I first installed Classic, I did an over the top of 5.33.6 and things went bad. I don't blame you I blame me for that, I should have done a clean install but I was lazy that day. So, I don't want to have something like that happen now and risk messing up 5.55.21. I ll continue giving you feedback.

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    Lagavulin16, actually there is more protection in Plus than in Classic (according to David). And I believe David.

    But the thing is, Do I want more protection than what I am used to? Do I think I need more protection than what I am used to? In all the years I used Sandboxie, has there been a time when more protection would have helped? When I am browsing the internet or executing files that I downloaded from the internet do I think I would be better off with more protection. I can create more questions and the answer in my case is No, to all of them.

    So, why add more protection when you know you don't need it. That is me and what just wrote only applies to me. Others might feel the same or differently. If someone likes the new things that David has developed into Sandboxie, use the features. He created them for you and you should go with Plus.

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    OK, thanks for the explanation, bo elam--hopefully you didn't find this excessively nosy or anything.

    Reading your post, I see that once again, I have missed something: namely that Plus has more security features now than Classic/Vintage. :cautious: Still was under the impression that both UIs were identical in that regard.

    I'm a happy Plus user but hopefully other Classic users are as aware of this.
     
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    Perfect, thanks alot. :thumb:

    It is not lost on me, however, that this is in yet another boxie thread, one I do not follow a lot. :)
     
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    While I follow boxie threads. I only understand bits n' pieces and retain less than that. I have a general sense that Plus builds and Classic builds share core components...that Sandboxie security fixes and compatibility fixes are not UI dependent...that my Plus usage is basic.
     
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    Just to avoid (even more) confusion ;):

    Sandboxie Plus* offers more security features than Sandboxie Classic*.
    *) These are the two different versions (flavors / builds [whatever]) of Sandboxie as they are available e.g. at Github.

    But this has no (immediate) connection with the UI (or the "View"):
    - In Sandboxie Classic there is (only) one UI (or view) (so I think at last).
    - In Sandboxie Plus there will be in the near future three different UIs (or Views):
    a) Simple
    b) Advanced
    c) Vintage (until recently called "Classic")

    --> That means:
    - If someone wants to compare the security features, he has to compare Sandboxie Plus vs. Sandboxie Classic.
    - If someone has decided to use Sandboxie Plus he can compare the available different looks of Sandboxie Plus by comparing the Views "Simple" / "Advanced" / "Vintage" (all three with identical security features).

    And in order to make it easier for David to answer all the questions:
    Correct.

    I would say: Yes (as David wrote: "I will continue providing the classical version forever if Tom doesn't return"). Please read here: https://www.wilderssecurity.com/threads/will-sandboxie-classic-stay.445561/
    (David may correct it if something has changed in the meantime.)

    [And again in order to avoid confusion: When David wrote in the second posting which I quoted in the above linked thread: "I really don't see there being much use for the classic UI.", of course he meant Sandboxie Classic (as program / flavor), not the planned vintage ("classic") view in Sandboxie Plus. ;)]

    Yes (as already stated by other posters above).
     
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    Thank you for this excellent summary. Hopefully there will be a more formal and written comparison of the differences betw. one and the other when the time comes.

    I'm OK with Plus for my very basic sandboxing of Firefox. So, I'm OK with some extras that prob. are going to get used to their fullest potential. That's true of a lot of software that I use anyway. :) As long as it works well and there are no signif. compromises in quality and/or machine performance.
     
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    Well basically yes the classic build has all the capabilities of the plus build, as the core components are exactly the same.
    It lacks the UI to configure those, in many cases this is not so critical as you can just edit your ini file, in other cases its an annoyance
    if you are using a privacy enhanced box you cant configure "NormalXXXPath" in the UI.
    You also loose out on the interactive capabilities, that is you can't allows for example internet access on the fly, or you cant allow a to large file to be copied anyways.
    In plus you get an interactive prompt while the requesting boxed process is halted,
    In classic the process fails instantly and you only get an option to add a persistent setting for the next time.
    In later plus builds you will be able to configure also "ProtectedXXXPath" which is basically a clsoed path but upon an access attempt will generate such an interactive message and allow the user to grant access of a choosen type full/read only.

    Practically some security enhancements of plus are not practical usable without the plus UI or at least to annoying to use everyday.

    If you ask me why you should use plus, the simple answer is in order to notice the new features which you may love very much once you tried them.

    Many security features have the down side that they may break this or that, hence enabling them by default is not a great idea, but for most people they will work fine most of the time, so if you use Plus and see them and notice them you can enable them for a better security, while in classic you will stay oblivious to those, unless you are vigilantly and thoroughly reading every changelog and editing your ini on a daily basis ;)
     
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    To that comment: Just today. I tested Process Restrictions -> Block using Windows Filtering Platform. By my basic testing. I knew Block by denying access to Network devices works. I had not tested Block using Windows Filtering Platform. I imagined Block using Windows Filtering Platform may not work since, I run 3rd party firewall. Well, by my basic testing...today. Block using Windows Filtering Platform works. Thanks
     
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    That assumption would be wrong, any firewall if forced to use the WFP since 64 bit windows is there.
     
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    Yes, I've read your comments regarding 3rd party firewalls and WFP...before. I just had not tested Block using Windows Filtering Platform...my side. Now, as to why I'd want Block using Windows Filtering Platform vs. Block by denying access to Network devices. I'll go back and re-read your comments. Thanks
     
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    I'm not sure if this is the thread to post this to but since gui changes are being made, I thought I'd post this small change which I think would be helpful.

    @david Is it possible to add 'Sandbox Options' to the main Sandboxie Plus window in the 'Options' menu under 'Global Settings' and/or an icon to 'Sandbox Options'? This would make it easier and faster to quickly access the sandbox options since everyone ends up there often to make changes.

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