Sandboxie-Plus 1.1.2

Discussion in 'Sandboxie (SBIE Open Source) Plus & Classic' started by DavidXanatos, Jun 14, 2022.

  1. stapp

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    So you did a clean install using installation media, where the disc is formatted during install, and any former operating system is erased and no user files exist anymore ?

    You did not use Reset telling it to remove everything?

    I only ask as some people have said a Reset may not fix some corruption issues.
     
  2. Izettso

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    It was a clean install using Windows installation media. However, I chose to keep my data and they were moved to windows.old, but I used a different backup to transfer my data (not the programs) back to the new Windows installation disk.

    EDIT: For information. I tested a lot of the programs that I have installed including: mIRC, GoodSync, FastStone image viewer, Burnaware Premium, PDFill Editor, VLC, Bulk Rename Utility, PDFShrink, SumatraPDF, Windows Media Player and Wordpad. All these run sandboxed. However, Notepad, Firefox and Chrome and all programs in LibreOffice (scalc, swriter etc) do not run sandboxed. The notepad and the browsers have a problem with "Could not hook CreateServiceW (SEC)" whereas the other ones that don't run do not have a notification.
     
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  3. DavidXanatos

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    This is why I use VM's and on my host PC a easy replaceable SSD, When i want to try a clean install or like recently a move to win 11 i jsut pop in a clean new fresh SSD and install for testing, if I'm not happy i can always pop in the old SSD where everythign is as it should be, plus backups a lot of backups... perhaps to many backups...
     
  4. Izettso

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    I had an image backup of my C drive and I could use that to revert to the previous state. However, I felt that it's about time I made a brand new Windows installation, after many months of installing and uninstalling software that surely must have left bits and pieces behind in the Registry and elsewhere.

    The problem now is that I see nothing in common between Notepad and a browser or a browser and LibreOffice that would explain why they cannot be run sandboxed.
     
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    It's just a blank screen, it's like the initial stage of starting the sandboxed browser - you have a sandboxed frame with visible yellow perimeter line, but nothing else.
    There is a browser icon on the taskbar but the sandboxed browser never fully opens/materializes.
     
  6. algol1

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    Many thanks for the renewed effort. For my way of usage already v. 1.1.1 has proven to be exceptionally stable.

    If I may express a wish here, @DavidXanatos, if you request from users to alter their configuration for the purpose of testing out new functionality - could you please be more specific about the exact location where these options need to be changed in the future?

    For now I have added those 2 first options (...deleteV2=y) to the [GlobalSettings]-section of the .ini-file. I guess the [Settings]-section of each individual box would have also been an option. Or is there some hidden location in the GUI where this can be done and only I've been too blind to find out about?

    To monitor the size of sandboxes I think you were talking about the checkbox in the "GlobalSettings"-"GeneralConfig"-section of the GUI called "Count and display the disk space occupied by each sandbox".

    And as for 3) "UseSbieDeskHack=y" I'm still on the lookout. Does it have to be added manually to the [GlobalSettings]-section of the .ini-file as well?
     
  7. stapp

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    @algol1
    I support your request for clearer instructions re configuration changes for testing. We are just users.. not devs !! It could make a big difference if we add them to the wrong place because we don't know what we are doing !!

    I clicked on the 'edit ini' at the top of the Plus window (it's the icon at the top to the right of the little brush) and in 1.1.2 those settings
    UseFileDeleteV2=y
    UseRegDeleteV2=y
    are already listed under each box (for me that is Default box and Tester box) but they are set to UseFileDeleteV2=n
    That is what to change, just scribble out n and replace it with y
     
  8. henryg1

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    When my pc starts, Edge being forced, I get an error

    msedge.exe (1046): SBIE2310 buffer is approachng overflow (4)

    so is there anything to be done?

    But I've now disabled Edge on startup. I didn't know it was there so M$ may have sneaked it in on update to 22H2, and there were 21 processes!! And I don't use Edge unless Firefox won't load a site for some reason.
     
  9. Brummelchen

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    plus or classic build?
     
  10. algol1

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    Thanks for the support. And very strange indeed. Because I just did the upgrade (like you?) and for me those 2 entries were certainly NOT there from the start just having to change an "n" for a "y". I had to add them from scratch in the editor and therefore was totally in the dark about their correct location.

    Or are you, by any chance, talking about the "Sandboxie-Plus.ini" which on the other hand for me is not accessible via that button and which in my case didn't contain those new entries either?
     
  11. stapp

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    @algol1
    I may have had those entries already due to all the troubleshooting with different builds to try and solve the Edge issue. My apologies.

    I was talking about the ini file which opens from the Plus interface. It is the Sandboxie ini in c/windows/ sbie.ini that opens to edit the ini file.(you have to scroll down almost to the bottom of the c\windows page to see it)

    The plus.ini in c\users\yourname\appdata\local\sbie plus\sbie.ini looks like a lot of rubbish when you open it (although I am sure David understands it !!)
     
  12. algol1

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    No reason to apologize at all. And yes, I am quite familiar with that C:\windows\Sandboxie.ini, no need even to scroll down as I usually keep my files time-sorted in my file-manager and as I have declared my own editor in the OS associated with .ini-files it will open up there rather than incapable "notepad". But your advice is still highly appreciated because you already knew about the proper location for those entries.
     
  13. Pierrequiroule

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    Hi,

    I have been using Sandboxie Classic for quite a while without any issue… until I upgraded to v. 5.56.1. From there, I could no longer run Brave or Edge sandboxed. All I could see upon starting these browsers was a totally blank page (either white or black), with no tool bar, no “x” in the upper right corner, no "anything"... The only way I could close these browsers (other than killing their process in Windows task manager) was to right-click on the browser icon in the task bar and select “close window”.

    For some reason, I didn’t experience that issue when running Firefox sandboxed.

    Just to be sure my antivirus was not involved, I shut it down and repeated the same steps with Sandboxie, Brave and Edge: it didn't make any change.

    Next step: I rolled back to v. 5.56.0… Sure enough, that did resolve the issue.


    Today, I upgraded to v. 5.56.2. The issue described above came back... only with Brave and Edge.

    I then decided to uninstall v. 5.56.2 and its configuration (.ini) file. Did a reboot and installed Sandboxie-Plus (for the first time ever!). Version 1.1.2, of course.

    Result: same issue as with Sandboxie Classic v. 5.56.1 and 5.56.2! (Firefox still running fine when sandboxed.)


    So... Is there any other info I can provide to help resolve this issue?



    O.S.: Win10 x64
    Default sandbox settings for all my browsers



    P.S.: Right now, I am still running Sandboxie-Plus but would definitely need some help to find my way around. Are there any tutorials around that are accessible to beginners?
     
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  14. zmechys

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    I can't run Brave or Google Chrome with v.56.2.
    Here is what I get when open Brave with v.56.2:

    Sandboxie issue.png

    And here is what I get when I start Sandboxed Google Chrome.
    Sandboxie-issue Google Chrome.png

    No issues with Edge or Firefox.
     
  15. bo elam

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    The issue started with 5.56.1. As I understand it, the issue affects both, Classic and Plus. I suggest you stay at 5.56 or the equivalent in Plus until the issue gets fixed. FWIW, I am using 5.55.21 and haven't experienced this issue.

    https://win10.guru/toolkit-item-sandboxie-by-guest-author-bo-elam/

    Bo
     
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  16. DavidXanatos

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    This is a known issue, see https://github.com/sandboxie-plus/Sandboxie/issues/1954
    the solution is to disable nested job support AllowBoxedJobs=n

    upload_2022-6-17_8-17-35.png

    I do not yet know why this issue only affects some users, on my test systems using nested jobs works just fine and it seams for many others as well, there must be an additional factor which on some systems breaks something.
     
  17. stapp

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    Yes it can be a bit bewildering at first when you are used to Classic and switch to Plus :) Plus is my preferred build now.

    The install options offer you the choice to use the 'Sandboxed web browser' icon that you are used to in classic on your desktop
    When you double click on it you will see the flames on the sbie icon in your taskbar. Right click options on your default box for instance will show up as in my screenshot.

    When you open the Plus interface there are lots of options there too.
    For instance right-click on your default box in the Plus window and see what is available.

    If you look at the very top of the Plus window you will see Sandbox.. View.. Options and help. Have a look at them. Most of us run under Advanced View under where is says View. (it gives more things to see)

    Then under those options there are some icons. If you hover over then with cursor you will see what they are. I find Global Settings and edit.ini file quite helpful.
    Hope these few bits of starter info will help you make your first steps around the Plus build.
    Screenshot 2022-06-17 074552.jpg
     
  18. shmu26

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    To change the subject... could I ask about CPU usage when running Firefox? I was aware of an issue in the past of high CPU usage. What's the situation now?
     
  19. stapp

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    In Vivaldi and Edge I noticed Sandman using some CPU. (I don't have Firefox)
    Now I don't see any.
    I believe @DavidXanatos may have altered cpu usage in the 1.1.0 build.
     
  20. zmechys

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    David,

    I have three computers. All of them updated to Win11 from Win10.
    All of them have the same setup - apps/software/etc..., but...
    Only one computer has no issues with your v.56.2.
    I don't have any issues running sandboxed Brave, Chrome, Edge, Firefox.
    All three computers have the same Win11 version, the same update.
     
  21. simbun

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    Not sure I understand your logic.

    With Sandboxie Plus Large Supporter Certificate
    its like 50€ + 50 + 50 + 50 + 50 = which total 250€

    Unless you're comparing a lifetime license to a version based license?
     
  22. deugniet

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    @stapp

    Could you open a new topic about the Sandboxie licence? This topic is about Sandboxie Plus 1.1.2.
     
  23. Izettso

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    For anyone following my desperate attempts to get Sandboxie Plus to run smoothly on my laptop (see for example here ), I'm pleased to say that i found the reason for my problem! It was a very long process because I had to make sure that what I detected wasn't a fluke.

    I initially tried to set up a virtual machine. VMware wouldn't work (easily) with Windows 11, so I installed VirtualBox. It was an interesting experiment for me, but it took me half a day to do it. After installing Windows 11 in the VirtualBox I tried Sandboxie. I then installed new programs one by one and tested Sandboxie after each installation until I came across the problem. It was after I had installed Install Monitor. So there is an incompatibility between Sandboxie and Install Monitor. Install Monitor runs a device driver in order to detect new installations, make a record and help you uninstall them if so required.

    I re-installed Windows on my laptop from the beginning and I tested almost 100% of the programs that I installed. Naturally I didn't install Install Monitor again. Now I may say that I've acquired a lot of experience with Windows re-installations!
     
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    My issue was with the CPU usage of Firefox.exe, not of sandman.
    I just tried my Sandboxie-Plus-x64-v1.0.22 with Thunderbird, and I saw 25% CPU usage from thunderbird.exe
    That's pretty high for my CPU.
    I am wondering if this has been optimized with the new version?
     
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