Windows 11 leak reveals new UI, Start menu, and more (Discussion)

Discussion in 'other software & services' started by ronjor, Jun 15, 2021.

  1. Victek

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    Can you say why? I have 11 running in a VM and I can't see any advantages over 10.
     
  2. n8chavez

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    • I consider the UI facelift a pro
    • DoH available for any server now
    • Win11 is more stable
    • Windows Security is better; more stable, responsive, and scans faster
    • Window snapping has been improved
    • Windows itself is actually smaller and uses less RAM for me
    • New Action Center is better
    • Android Apps Support in Windows 11
     
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  6. WSFuser

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    The new interesting security feature is Smart App Control. Seems like it will function like a HIPS such as the long gone Prevx.

    Source
     
  7. xxJackxx

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    So much like Norton, anything new that is not yet recognized will be blocked. This is great for software developers that are not industry giants. Days to weeks after a new release nobody will be able to run anything. :thumbd:
     
  8. Trooper

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    This is the way. ZeroTrust haha.
     
  9. plat

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    I installed Windows 11 on a spare nvm-e so that I could jump back and forth between OSs to judge stuff. I'm installing the spare like every other 2-3 months now (it's not convenient and I won't do a dual boot on this drive).

    Updated to Insiders beta v. 22593.1--took over 3x as long to complete as cumulative KBs in Windows 10. When it finished, Edge was installed again and I had a Windows.old of nearly 20 GB. The new Task Manager was a surprise, it wasn't too bad after all, but then it wasn't resized to throw it out of balance. All-in-all, the changes to Windows 11 weren't enough to convince me to formally update so I'm back on 10 as the daily driver for now.
     
  10. Bill_Bright

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    Ummm, did you read the article? I think you are too quick to prejudge.
    You are right - Zero Trust "IS"the way to go - thanks to the bad guys, especially organized criminals and state-sponsored bad guys like Russia, N. Korea, China and a few others - the ones that put us in this scenario.

    MS isn't just tossing in a new feature haphazardly - and they are not doing it all on their own. They are working closely with their hardware partners (motherboard, chipset, RAM and processor makers) to keep us safe.

    Any programmer worth their salt should expect, even welcome their program be vetted BEFORE it is released to the general public. As a consumer (and possible target), that is also what I expect for me and my family.

    :( Nonsense! Read the article and stop the rumormongering and spewing of misinformation and falsehoods.

    The TRUTH is,
    Therefore, all the developer needs to do, before releasing his product, is run it on his or her W11 machine that supports this feature and immediately see the results.

    Since the anti-malware industry (Norton, McAfee, BitDefender, ESET, Avira, TrendMicro, Kaspersky, Comodo, and the others) FAILED catastrophically to do their jobs and stop the bad guys in the beginning when they had their chance, it has fallen to the OS and hardware makers, and sadly, us consumers to do it.
     
  11. xxJackxx

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    We are a developer and I guarantee it will not work that easily. Smartscreen blocks new releases of our digitally signed apps for some time after we release them. I won't be accused of misinformation for reporting the experiences we have had.
     
  12. Bill_Bright

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    But that is now. This is a new feature coming for Windows 11 that has NOT been implemented yet. And you are already condemning it! So I am sorry, but the accusation holds. You are being too quick to judge - even if you have grounds to be leery.

    FTR, I am a HUGE fan and supporter of small businesses. I had my own. And I agree, there needs to be a level playing field for the small developers and the giant corporations. I don't have an answer to that. But with this NEW - yet to be implemented - system depending on MS's cloud "inference" policy running 24/7/365, hopefully that field will level out.

    Having said that, it is the consumers' security that should come first, not the developer's profits - regardless how big the developer.
     
  13. xxJackxx

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    I really didn't want to continue this but by your own words, if we are saying this is a new feature that we don't know how it works yet, you are also too quick to judge as you cannot prove me wrong yet. You can't use speculation to accuse someone for being wrong for doing the same. If it works without any issues I will come back and sing its praises. If it does cause issues I will say I told you so.

    As for putting consumers' security first it sounds like a noble idea, but if you are negatively affecting a developer's profits when they have done nothing wrong there should be some amount of liability associated with that. If you produced a product and someone refused to allow customers access to it on the idea that something was wrong with it when you worked very hard to make something that is harmless you probably wouldn't feel that it was acceptable to do so.
     
  14. Bill_Bright

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    Gee whiz. That is probably the silliest, and most illogical argument I have ever heard.
    I didn't speculate anything. The feature is not out yet. That is a fact, not speculation. And you are already judging it. That is also a fact, not speculation.

    You said, "Days to weeks after a new release nobody will be able to run anything." You don't know that. You prejudged and speculated - not me.

    I don't see what sort of liability Microsoft has. Why would they be obligated to support your software? You, as the developer, however, need to ensure your software is compliant with all the published criteria to run under Windows AND designated hardware (this latter hardware point is important - since MS does not control hardware compatibility).

    Is CLEAResult obligated and held liable if they don't certify a PSU 80 PLUS compliant in X number of days? Will the FDA be held liable if they don't approve a new medicine in x number of days?

    If you downloaded a new program and it infected your computer, are you NOT going to blame and hold liable Microsoft for failing to screen it thoroughly first? You already are blaming Microsoft for something they haven't even released yet!

    Yes, of course, it would be great if Microsoft can promise instant certification and gratification for developers and consumers. That would certainly a win win for the developers and us consumers, and for Microsoft too. But that just isn't practical.

    I say to hold judgement until the new feature rolls out. Then see how quick their turnaround time is. And to that (since I used to work in a software development company too) I might suggest getting a couple final beta releases put out there first, before final release for MS's new system to check out.

    And give the new feature a chance. I might not be as bad as you already claim it will be.
     
  15. xxJackxx

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    Interesting...
    Windows 11's upcoming Smart App Control security feature has a major issue (betanews.com)
     
  16. plat

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    Reinstalling Windows 11 to get the Smart App Control? lol! Come on now! :)

    But if it pans out to be a major security boon, not just for the meantime but over extended periods, well I may consider it--esp. if I may have to reinstall Windows 11 anyway for some other reason. Thanks for posting this, xxJackxx. T'was a little comic relief.
     
  17. Bill_Bright

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    I saw that too. In fact, the original MS article says (my bold underline added),
    A reset and a "clean" install? I don't get that. To me, a "clean" install already implies a reset.

    But again, that is only for existing installations of W11. W10 still dominates over 80% of the Windows market share so IMO, this is not a big deal - yet. And with it requiring a clean install, that pretty much makes it a volunteer upgrade rather than MS forcing this new feature down our throats - at least for now. I suspect on down the road, there will be a major upgrade to W11 that is forced on us that will include this new feature. Hopefully any bugs, including xxJackxx's delay concerns, if they pan out to exist, are all ironed out by then.
     
  18. xxJackxx

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    It was a little comical.. But I can say I certainly won't reinstall Windows to get it.
     
  19. Rasheed187

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    Great to hear that you think it's actually better. I'm guessing that eventually I will probably also like it when I buy a new machine. As long as I can disable annoying stuff.

    Seriously what a joke, but it's probably because it's a complete redesign. It's sort of like a more advanced version of SmartScreen, which I never liked. They are probably trying to copy the macOS security model.
     
  20. xxJackxx

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    I'm wondering if it's some kind of evolution of S mode or something. There must be some major changes if it requires a reinstall.
     
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    I really didn't expect this. No liking at all for Windows 11 but running a majorly outdated operating system is a far worse alternative. Maybe many can't upgrade the hardware to a 64 bit system, I dunno.

    Microsoft should not rescind the updating capability for those running Windows 11 on "unsupported" hardware and then tell people to "upgrade" for security reasons. A bad situation for someone to get manipulated into, imo.
     
  23. Bill_Bright

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    Well of course, that depends on who you want to believe and who you listen to. Others are claiming W11 is eating away 16% of W10's market share and that would put it well over XP's.

    What is undisputable is that more and more new computers are coming with W11. No new computers are are coming with XP. So W11 will surpass XP no mater what.

    I also think it important to note that those still using XP, also refused to migrate to Vista, Windows 7 and Windows 10 as well. So why the surprise they would not give it up for W11?
     
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    My 2 cents. I moved from 10 to 11. I did a lot of thinking before moving, but now that I have I am very happy with 11, after a number tweaks. Out of the box, no thanks.
     
  25. WSFuser

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    I am curious to know how many computers are not eligible to upgrade based on CPU. It has definitely been the reason why I haven't upgraded and I'm not rushing to get a new computer JUST for Windows 11.
     
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