Is there anything (life) after death?

Come on Ron......try and catch up........4th Dimension? Haa!.....I've been in the 5th Dimension for years.....(According to my Wife)..


Cochise,

 

I've had a lot of experiences that prove to me that there's definitely more going on than we're usually consciously aware of. Many of them were precognitive. Even with online friends, sometimes I know more than I should. On the physical level, I formed visible extra blood veins in my shoulder during '85, at the same time as my husband did. He was off work because he'd somehow blocked the axillary vein under his arm while up on a phone pole (he was a lineman for the phone company), and if he didn't form auxillary veins, they planned to graft from his leg. It made me wonder how many folks whose loved ones were injured have done that kind of empathetic healing with no visible signs.

There's a book called The Afterlife Experiments by Gary E. Schwartz, Ph.D., that those with open minds will find interesting. It was published in 2002 in the U.S.

 

I just want to add a link that leads to some information I have run across since I posted here. This information concerns a New Age "movement" or "school of thought" about what is going on with the planet and relates definitely to questions about the afterlife- but also the before and forever life- soul perpetuity...

http://www.sunfell.com/indigo.htm

This is definitely pretty way out there stuff , and for some folks just hooey- too bizarre to consider- New Age crap. It's about the Indigo People - and the phenomenon of the coming of a huge wave of " Indigo Children" in the past 20 years , which was new to me but is very much discussed - 78 pages when googled.

Indigos are purported to be unique psychically and spiritually. They are repopulating the planet as a cosmic necessity to be leaders or guides in the dawning of the Age of Aquarius, the Second Coming, however you want to express what most religions predict is coming up.

Indigo people have always been around, but the last huge group of them was during the height of the Egyptian glories way back. This idea is not about a religion or cult- in fact quite the opposite. These people are Christians, Jews, Muslims, whatever- doesn't matter- and are not required or encouraged to give up their primary faiths. Most do however when older move away from religious affiliations and stress that "big picture " stuff I get into.

I'm going to say right now that it was because of what I written here in conjunction with the coincidental discovery I had about indigo being the lost piece of the visible spectrum and the true name of my all-time favorite color (see ten-forward poll) that I found out about this stuff.
I had just been googling indigo as a color to find out what exactly it looked like (though I kinda knew) and found out about this whole deal with these supposedly special folks now comprising something like 60% of the births today.

And I found out that what I had written off the cuff, completely my own little sermon, matches the basic tenets of the Indigo message- almost verbatim. It has been very trippy for me to have been pondering indigo as my way favorite color and discover that my deeply felt take on the "truth" or the "Is" as I call it, is the same as what the apparently distinguishable Indigo people call the truth of "the One"- the Golden Rule thing I went on about, the same damn stuff!

Put mildly, my head has been set a spinnin' lately, and it's really pretty neat to be spiritually invigorated like this. Those who bother to look into it: I was born in 1961 and believe I have suffered as many Alphas do.....

 

Folks who dismiss concepts without research want only to be right in their own current thinking. Reality and truth, for them, are secondary. It's impossible to grow if unwilling to learn and make changes due to new information.

 

Always polite, I am. Have learned as an Old Soul to smooth the feathers of the most ornery roosters before you snatch them for a ride to the tree stump.

 

hahaha and what sort of dimension might that be?
(NO, better NOT tell us!)
Rofl

cheers (also to your wife )
slam

 

The fourth dimension is time. We can move forward in it... just not backwards...yet.
Source: A brief history of time, Stephen W. Hawking
see also http://www.dur.ac.uk/postgraduate.english/Boyd.htm
(above URL is a quick search result, but an interesting read)

 

The original unified theory that Einstein sought to achieve was a proof that showed how all interactions in matter: gravitation, electromagnetism, the strong force (a short-range force that holds atomic nuclei together), and the weak force (the force responsible for slow nuclear processes, such as beta decay) interconnected to form physical reality as we know it.

Einstein's greatest stroke of genius---E=mc2 basically is the theoretical proof that time itself is not constant, but bends and twists in an undulating universe. He was hopeful that he could work with the essence of the forces above and account for time too, and fashion an elegantly simple equation of coalescence.

Today, it is my understanding that the math being worked out in the further quest for a unified theory requires the theoretical existence of at least 8 dimensions. Impossible to name or describe except in mathematical terms, the new dimensional elements help eradicate some of the roadblocks preventing a mathematically consistent descriiption of the core fundamentals of the very structure of the cosmos. And there is argument that many more dimensions must be recognized if there is hope of solving the puzzle.

To me it's plain gotta be unsolvable, indescribable, irreducible, this interplay of the forces as we now know them. Why? Because infinity itself is absolutely beyond our grasp. We live in a finite world- all that we know--- everything has a birth, a maturation, and aging and a death. "Forever" cannot be fathomed without a leap of faith somehow.

I used to bug my teachers about the Big Bang theory newly taught in my formative years. "Yes dear, the universe banged into existence from nothing..." " But that's ridiculous!!", I'd protest. "No matter what, it still had to bang INTO something!"

And so the essential truths of it all remain yet elusive for our kind- and I believe ever will be so, through the course of the existence of man. And after man and the Earth have long since perished, maybe a superior form of life shall know more than we can.

I dig knowing that multiple dimensions appear to be required for the math to approach workability because cosmic complexity shrouded in mystery comforts this soul as just being part of my God.

 

Whooooo-eeeeeeee....just got dizzy & fell outta my chair! Well-stated, G_C. In effect, given our current limitations in thought processes, there remain things unknowable to us. Out of that comes something we label as faith. All of which is good; there needs to be mystery in life. Keeps us from getting bored, I suppose.

Think any of it matters to my little flying friend here??....

 

Great !
It's a bit like asking what some God(s) did to kill time ,
before creating heaven and earth.
(no religious offence ment ! dangerous country here...)

 

It sure does.
nice pic !

 

Isn't 'Faith' something one is asked to have when there is no basis in Truth?...



Cochise,

 

When one person asks another to have it without anything to support it, probably so...

 

String theory warrants 14 to 17 dimensions right?
Oh theoreticians... we can't see anything over the 4 dimensions... how can we possibly grasp the idea of 8 dimensions!
hmm... A nice read Mostly Harmless, by Douglas Noel Adams, final sequel to The HitchHiker's Guide to the Galaxy for some stuff about how we perceive the orld... keyword: filters.
Maybe the question was: How many dimensions are there? Ans: 42!!!

 

See, 13, I remain somehow certain that the dimensions requisite for an accurate proof would be infinite in number just as the cosmos is perceptably infinite ... to me that's so fundamentally "DUH!!!"

But rather than dismiss these efforts as futile, I feel the insights man may gain from these progressive elucidations of the fabric of physics as revealed in tiny bits are inherently valuable as forward karmic movement in support of "the Light" overall.

Thanks for the reading material suggestion. A super cool little book I found buried in a box one day and long since out of print, I'm sure, is called "God and the Philosophers". It's a brief compendium of essays submitted by Nobel prize winning and other exalted scientiific luminaries each addressing the question of the existence of God. To a person, these straight-shooting writers all explain that no matter their specialty, an acknowledgment of some unquantifiable Higher Power or God is necessary in their extropolations and is an inescapable core component of scientific truths of every sort.

 

hmm...
didya read Hawking's book (A history of time in briefs...no wait... that's not it)
Read the section where he discusses limits of the perceptible/visible/observable/measurable universe. I guess if we're gonna philosophize, we must read what that amazing man has written.
Hmmm... correlating it to H2G2 (THE book for all answers, IMHO).......
adding this to it.....

I guess that should sum it up what I know about life in general.
Of course, what happens after death is a question DNA (Douglas Noel Adams) settles in the book Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency
I tend to disagree ith what he says in that book, but what the hey... its another funny book.

 

Have we discussed whether or not there is a heaven and hell or is that off bounds?

Jimbob

 

Yep ... Against Wilers' TOS (Terms of Service) -{Absolutely NO religion or Politics}

 

I think this subject just died, ah I'll try and think of another discussion

 

But you haven't given us the pleasure of your thoughts on the subject under discussion yet!!!...


Cochise,

 

what i only know is once we die, we either become ash or rot and formed into soil

 

I decided a looong time ago, it doesn't matter, we are "Here Now", BUT -
just in case!

It isn't so hard to spend an extra second or two being patient with someone, kind, to listen, to make both of your lives a little mellower. Plus - it might make up for the times you didn't?!

I have seen the Truth! It is - "What goes around, comes around!"

It just works on Universal Time - not Ours!!


Happy Philosophizin'!!

Marja

 

Many systems in the observable universe are cyclic.
some, however, are unidirectionally linear.
Methinks life is cyclic (the "soul" and what not...)
When the body dies... it is recycled too.
But the "person" factor (all the relations/friendships) is over, never to be revived again...
But now I border on quasi-religious thought. Hence, its mouth shut for me.

 

EXACTLY!! Why worry about something we don't know, can't prove, wouldn't understand anyway

Ya think there might be a REASON for that??