Sandboxie-Plus v1.0.11

Hmm. Concerning Red "X" respectively (disappearance of) red dots:

Personally I haven't seen the Red "X" in my tray icon since a long time (I think it must be back to the period when Sandboxie belonged still to Invincea or Sophos). And I never missed it - as I had the dots.

But if there is now a planned revival of the "X" for all icons, all versions (whatever), I would ask you (David, other users) to take into account that the (disappearance of) dots and the X (the cross) have obviously different meanings. I refer to Bo's excellent explanation a few days ago in another thread (bold letters are by me):

If this explanation is correct (and I have no doubt that it is), I would suggest to consider to reverse these two combinations of action and symbol - for logical (psychological?) reasons:

- "Content" represents for me a variety of elements, typically various opened websites in the (sandboxed) browser. Logically (or perhaps: psychologically) I regard these variety of elements as dots (= a variety of dots) in the tray icon. When they disappear (because all websites are closed), the content of the sandbox is removed --> it remains an empty sandbox (--> in case of the classic symbol: the yellow "pizza" without dots). And I have the impression that in this way it is already now interpreted by David: Auto deleting content means disappearance of the red dots, even without existence of a red "X".

- On the other hand, "program" means for me (and I assume for many other users too) not a variety of elements but typically one: the (sandboxed) browser. So I would associate a red "X" with the "elimination" (= closing) of just one element/program, namely (mostly) the browser. The appearance of the red "X" represents the finish of my browser session (or for others the closing of their sandboxed PDF-reader or of their sandboxed media player or whatever).

So if this "duality" of Red "X" and (disappearance of) red dots will come back in general, perhaps their meaning should better be:

a) Red "X" = "sandboxed program(s) is/are closed"
b) Red dots = representation of the sandbox content --> Red dots disappear = "sandbox content is deleted"

 

Yes, agreed. There has to be a consensus among us users what the meanings of the various icon modalities are and in which context they're applicable. A slight learning curve here, I think. When I used Classic, the red X (or cross) meant the contents were being deleted and bo elam does confirm that in his earlier post.

Hopefully, this doesn't get too complicated again. I'm enjoying Plus 1.0.11 just the way it is.

 

Fine.

I would just like to repeat my above arguments in this way:

Full - Empty (a sandbox with contents) = Full - Empty (the tray icon with dots).

--> So simple it seems to be logical for me.

 

There is no documentation yet.

What exact version are you using? As it there is an issue as described in my current Dev build 1.1, but 1.0.11 seams actually fork ok.

 

We're taking "Auto delete" visual indicator.
SbieCtrl -> Classic tray icon long time (15 years) visual indicator for my "Auto delete" events. Has always been red dots disappear with red X.
When DavidXantos added SandMan -> Show Classic icon...is when Classic tray icon visual indicator for "Auto delete" event changed (with SandMan) to only red dots disappear.
With all due respect to bo elam, plat1098 and Peter 123.
"Auto delete" event/s for me with Classic tray icon is red dots disappear with red X.
For those that hide the taskbar. There has always been SandMan flash dialog.
For those that run Plus but, prefer Classic tray icon. DavidXanatos gave us "Show Classic icon". But, forgot the red X.

 

Right! You clearly explained your thinking. This was actually an indirect plea to DavidX to also keep us more basic users in mind when developing Sandboxie. Not everyone uses it to its fullest potential and therefore has no need for these advanced features and settings, and frankly doesn't want to learn them right now anyway. (speaking for me-self here).

Oh, OK, yes, thanks for re-defining that, bjm_. (edit).

 

Hopefully some extensive and thoroughly informative YouTube tutorials covering all of these incremental tweaks will be in the mix at some point in the future. A videotaped seven course feast tailored for "Sandboxie for Dummies" would definitely hit the sweet spot.
It's only an impression, but it seems like Sandboxie is evolving into an app more exclusively suitable for intermediate to advanced computer savvy users. Of course, it's also perhaps inarguable that the more advanced apps are the most proficient in getting the job done.
With the advancement of so many options to click on and so on and so forth, maybe a discussion could be made on how scale back the number of necessary user options and decisions in lieu of the app automatically implementing them. In spite of the inept comparison,
security suites currently require less tinkering and configuring than they did years ago and are equally as effective. Hopefully Sandboxie will remain in the court of the everyday user. Just a thought. Que sera sera.

 

To cut this discussion short: Sandman will be able in the next non pre-release build to have the same tray behavior as the classical one. There will be no change to the meaning of things to make them logical, as for the great majority of users a learned behavior is more important than something being conceptually more logic, or less depends on who you ask.

With regard to the ui getting to complicated, there is already in the view menu the ability to switch between a basic and advanced view, although it does to hide options from settings that may be should be added as well.

 

My preference changed when SandMan scaling changed. Easier on my old eyes.
I don't use nor understand most of Plus. I just like the larger SandMan & tray icon presentation.
I run small taskbar buttons on 17in lappy. My old eyes prefer red dots disappear with red X.
Maybe, some slow to transition (Classic to Plus) will be easier to switch with familiar red X.
With Plus larger scaling. I'm even warming to SandMan.
Note: I'm a man. I can change if I have to.

 

if you switch to simple view the UI looks like this:


but yea in that view i should also look into cutting down on configuration options i guess, any suggestions what to hide first?

 

Well, I do not use SnapShot Manager. Move Box Group. SandBox Presets. Only use Boxed Tools for Windows Explorer.
From SbieCtrl - Classic tray icon. I call Windows Explorer with fewer layers. Boxed Tools is a reach for Windows Explorer. Just me.
Generally speaking. SbieCtrl -> Classic tray icon has all I need for daily rider.
I'd go back to SbieCtrl -> Classic tray icon if the scaling were larger.

Edit: I'm back with SbieCtrl -> Classic tray icon. I remembered why I stuck with SbieCtrl -> Classic tray icon ... for so long.
Note: I'm a man. I can change if I have to.

 

please try this build: https://xanasoft.com/Downloads/SandManTest1.zip of sandman it creates an own dmp file without relaying on windows
it saves the *.dmp file to the same dire Sandboxie-Plus.ini is in

 

I think I first tried and had the problem with 1.0.9, and then I jumped to 1.0.11.

I've just performed a full uninstall and reinstall of 1.0.11 and the problem persists. I just tried with the 17.4 trial available on their website and it exhibits the same behaviour so you should be able to test with that.

1. Install the trial into a clean sandbox and close it down when it's complete
2. Open the program with - Run from Start Menu > Programs > dBpoweramp > dBpoweramp.lnk
3. Click the CD Ripper program, which should open the ripping program, and then close both out
4. Take a snapshot
5. Repeat steps 2 and 3 and opening the ripping program (or any program) should fail.
6. Delete the snapshot and repeat steps 2 and 3 which should now work.

 

Will do. My sandboxie(portable) directory is on D:, so any *.dmp files will survive reboots!
If sandman does crash once more, I will provide you the required info. Thanks again.

EDIT (UPDATE):
After 'Uninstall All', exit sandman, copy files from SandManTest1.zip and restart sandman.exe,
I encounter an access denied error (maybe because there is no updated Sandman.exe.sig in SandManTest1.zip):

Spoiler: Sandman-Plus error

Sandboxie-Plus - Error
Error Status: 0xc0000022 (Access is denied) ... OK

Anyway, When I click OK, everything still seems to work fine.
GUI shows Sandboxie-Plus v1.1 - Portable. Playing with it now.

 

this one dMC-R17.4-Ref-Trial.exe ??

any how this one works fine for me before and after taking a snapshot in 1.0.11, strange :/

 

This attitude ("people are irrational or accustomed to irrational things – we treat them in the appropriate way") is well known from so many fields (politics, marketing, religion, …). I confess that I am astonished to meet it now in the field of software development too. The more as you, David, have confronted users already with so many new or changed things regarding Sandboxie.

Concerning myself: Because of my use and my configuration of Sandboxie the closing of programs and the deletion of sandboxie content go hand in hand anyway. So for me the distinction plays no role. I had primarily in mind "newcomers" to Sandboxie who presumably would find it easier to understand and to use it when it has a more logical or intuitive structure in such details. Concerning the already existing users and their "learned behaviour", I am convinced that they would have been intelligent enough to get accustomed to such a small change more than quickly.

 

So, your solution is to lower the complexity/integrity of software to make it appeal to the more general user? That makes no sense. Shouldn't we be elevating their understanding and knowledge, instead of dumbing things down for them?

 

Using the files in SandManTest1.zip with sbie-plus v1.0.11,
my autodelete problems also seem to have disappeared!!

Spoiler: Links to my auto-delete problems

https://www.wilderssecurity.com/posts/3065572/
https://www.wilderssecurity.com/posts/3065735/
https://www.wilderssecurity.com/posts/3065915/

@DavidXanatos , thank you. And no crash to report so far.

 

regarding SandMan -> Classic tray icon
the red X indicates box B closed while box A is still active.
you may like Classic tray icon red X with red dots if you run more than one box at a time.
SandMan -> Classic tray icon does not have red X.
SbieCtrl -> Classic tray icon does have red X.
~ and if you like Notifications. You can use flyout.
~ and if you like flash dialog. You have flash dialog.
Now, can we all just get along.

 

Oooh I vote to keep Sandbox Presets! do find that one very useful. I don't use Snapshots Manager or Move Box Groups, but I do actually use all of the the other ones. I'm only one user though, I expect there will be others would use and want those ones. So I think it's good how it is. I also enjoy Sandman a lot more since the scaling was changed, I find it a very user-friendly GUI now. Lots of things in the settings though that I don't use or understand, both in SB+ & Classic... I'm not such an advanced user though.

 

DavidXantos was asking about options for a simpler presentation.
We're just throwing stuff against the wall to see what sticks

 

Yup I realise. I find some of the quick options that Sandbox Presets provides in the arrow across (in the right click of the GUI), easier to find & use, than trying to find and/or configure them in the actual settings or ini. Block Internet Access is a classic example. Yet to get my head around doing that as a global setting (rather than by programme) in the proper settings od Sandbox Options, and the ini is something that I try and keep away from, as a rule.

 

Yep....my boxes were setup from Classic and I'm afraid to change anything from Plus.
I keep DefaultBox at default settings so, I can refer back to DefaultBox settings when I'm lost in the Plus minutia woods.
I follow GitHub. I don't understand the questions let alone the answers. Plus userbase is generally over my skill set.

 

Human nature, the simpler it is the more people will try/use it. Heaven forbid if someone has to read instructions for 10 minutes, that will automatically rule out about 50% of the population.

 

I'll read Plus User Guide.
I've read https://davidxanatos.github.io/sandboxie-docs/Content/AllPages.html over years.
reading is okay; understanding - retention not so much