SpyShelter 12

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  1. moredhelfinland

    moredhelfinland Registered Member

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    Thanks GOD coder of this a "good side". With his skills, he can be and do something very bad if he wants...
     
  2. BoerenkoolMetWorst

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    Definitely :argh:
     
  3. Surt

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    Glad you enjoyed my facetious liberty with that post. I have been using SpyShelter Premium for many years.

    When v12 came out, I threw the trial on my Win10 blow-up box test system to check it out before I upgraded my admirably configured, meticulously maintained Win10 Pro lifestyle management system from v11. A few days of poking and prodding boosted my confidence. Not that I expected problems with a Datpol product, I'm just cautious with powerful apps' new dot zero versions.

    It was about five or six weeks before I used the test system again and observed the same unexpected reboot-several hours-reboot behavior as you did.

    Consider this... Having "Program autostart" & "Launch the program from the service (early start)" set could be an interesting benefit at those times when installing new software or upgrades and restarting.

    Whatever, it's either the free version or ante up the lettuce for Premium or Firewall for the long run.
     
  4. Rasheed187

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    Yes this should be changed, it's annoying. I don't know why they are so paranoid, perhaps it's because of cracked versions?
     
  5. Krusty

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    Anyone using the free version?

    Is it worth using vs the premium versions?

    Do you get pop ups trying to up-sell the premium versions?

    Does it get along with 3rd party AVs? Any clashes with other programs?

    Any advice?

    Thanks.
     
  6. bellgamin

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    @Krusty -- HERE is a table that compares all 4 SS versions. In sum:
    >Free version has a FW & Host-based Intrusion Protection System (HIPS)
    >Silent version is basically just a superb anti-keylogger
    >Firewall version is top of the line - VERY powerful & multifaceted security app
    >Premium version is the FW version minus the FW & minus "Application Execution Control"

    I use the Premium version because (a) I don't need the FW, because my antivirus (AVG) has a competent, configurable FW built-in. AND (b) I'm not sure what "Application Execution Control" does because I didn't take time to read its description. (Please fill me in if you figure it out.)

    I was a huge fan of Aussie-developed Online Armor (the very best of all user HIPS). Did you ever use it?

    So far, the SS HIPS that is included in 3 of the 4 SS versions is just a very few centimeter's short of Online Armor's perfection. The SS HIPS "learns" from user responses to its alerts and writes rules which are visible and editable by user. It also enables users to write their own rules. It provides the user with a rule-writer process that is easy-to-use, super-friendly, & fairly powerful. So far I am just letting SS write its own rules because my computer usage doesn't need the enhanced protective granularity from writing added rules.

    IMO, no one could go wrong with the Free version -- mainly for the HIPS module, but the FW is excellent as well.

    In my case I actually want all of the added protection given by Premium version -- anti-keylogger; protection of user-specified folders, files, & registry cells; limiting "freedom" of user-specified apps; etc etc etc.
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    Discovery -- I just now updated my TOR browser. SS popped an alert, acknowledging the update & offering a click spot to provide a VirusTotal check of the update. I clicked it & POOF! VirusTotal's results appeared, at flank speed, on SS's alert pop-up.

    Of course my antivirus AVG would 99.999% have told me if the TOR update was nasty but I was interested to see how SS's click-to-VirusTotal worked. Oh, and there's always that 1 chance in 100,000 nasties that AVG (a top-tier AV) might have missed something. :cautious:
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    Just checked -- SS Premium has a super light footprint. Zero slow-down on my still-perky old laptop. See charts -- low RAM, less than 0.04% CPU use. ScreenHunter_02 May. 15 20.03.gif ScreenHunter_03 May. 15 20.04.gif
     
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  7. Surt

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    I sooooooooo miss that. A rock solid firewall and HIPS an expert could bend to his/her will. :'(

    Hope this helps you figure that out. My answer: No. As for your other questions, I've run Premium on my production Win10 Pro system since I built it in FEB 2020 and on my previous Win7 Home system for a few years as well, all pretty much without too much issue (I've posted up in here on one or two).

    Here's a screen shot of the Monitored Actions in SpyShelter Free v12.5 where one can see what Premium actions are not available. Note, you don't get "all' of the firewall or registering a driver or service, deal breakers for me. Trivia: the anti-logging wasn't available in earlier versions - see my post #64 in this thread.
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    Seems like there's an "Installing" problem with some of the actions which I would have to figure out. If I cared. Otherwise, this does show the free vs premium for all to see.

    This in on my Win 10 Pro E8400/G35 4GB 250GB HDD "testing" clunker, now on 21H2 having started out in OCT 2014 on the Tech Preview Insider Slow Ring. That might have something to do with it. And having endured various trial versions of SpyShelter over time. :gack:
     
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  8. Krusty

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    Hi bellgamin,

    Only very briefly.

    Thanks to both @bellgamin and @Surt for the detailed replies. I'm thinking the free version isn't something I'd keep long so I won't bother with it. I'm not in the market for another paid program either.

    At the end of the day, fun to think about but just not for me.

    Cheers,
    Dave
     
  9. n8chavez

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    Well, I just remembered why I quit using SpyShelter Firewall. I forgot, keystroke encryption doesn't work on anything running in Sandboxie. Which is a shame, because those vunerable application are the only ones that warrant using keystroke encryption.
     
  10. bellgamin

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    Hmm... I always thought Sandboxie was mainly a place to check out untried/untrusted apps. Am I wrong?

    Also, I'm not quite sure what a vulnerable app is, exactly. Could someone give me an example?

    Confession: I have never used a sandbox of any kind so I have zero experience in that arena -- hence, the questions.
     
  11. n8chavez

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    Sandboxie is an isolation app, which allows you to run other applications in an isolated environment away from your system. I run Sandboxie on a RAM drive, and have separate boxes set up for anything that has access to to the internet. That way my system is secure, and the only thing that can touch my "real" system is what I allow.

    If you have a computer that can access the internet, I recommend two program. An imaging program, and Sandboxie. 99% of the time that's all you need.
     
  12. bellgamin

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    @n8chavez -- OIC. Thanks to the nth for the info. :thumb:
     
  13. Cutting_Edgetech

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    I was a die hard Online Armor user also. It is my all time favorite security software. I wish they could have made it an open-source project. I believe Emsisoft said it contained proprietary libraries or something like that, so it would do no good to release the code.
     
  14. ichito

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    No...it's not shame. SS encryption work properly in SD what means "pure" isolation from real system. Every application in system can work in the same way in SM enabled.
    That means that Sbie is not only isolation so for sure there are some specific apps that are not fully compatibile especialy security apps that needs sometimes very strict connection with system resources.
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    I think here on official page of Sbie is the answer
    https://sandboxie-plus.github.io/sandboxie-docs/Content/IsolationMechanism.html
     
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  15. Moose World

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    Salutations/Greetings,

    Intermission - SpyShelter Firewall 12.7 Test vs Fresh Infostealers - YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFUIJzKMtag

    Enjoy!
     
  16. bellgamin

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    Good grief!!! Lots of drumming & space-age music (loud) while screenshots of entries & uses of SpyShelter (SS) flash by at unreadable speed. This was followed by AV scans, using several apps (including my favorite, KVRT), again flashing by at unreadable speed. I suppose those scans found at least one "infostealer" got through (NO security app is bullet-proof) but I was unable to read the scan results at such a fast speed. As far as I could tell, there was no summary of results, either.
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    Meanwhile, back OT --- The Free version of SS has 2 components: firewall (FW) and Host-based Intrusion Prevention System(HIPS).

    Like Batman & Robin, FW+HIPS is the Dynamic Duo. SS's FW & SS's HIPS each have their own collection of rules that define many kinds of "suspicious" or potentially "dangerous" actions. When any file or app bumps up against one of these rules, one or the other of the FW+HIPS Dynamic Duo will alert the user, and provide basic information for the user to make an "allow/block" decision.

    The FW & HIPS will work just fine "right out of the box." However, they can be added to or modified by power users who need to protect high risk data.

    The Dynamic Duo (FW+HIPS) affords better protection than FW alone or HIPS alone. The main thing missing is a top-tier antivirus app (AV) such as BitDefender, Kaspersky, or MS Defender.

    Ergo, SS Free + AV = FW+HIPS+AV = Dynamic Trio = Grrrrreat security! (IMO, of course -- YMMV).
     
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  17. Surt

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    1x speed: epileptic fit at 2:72
    .5x speed: age-associated heart failure at 5:53
    .25x seped: mummification at 7:38
    Reduced FW & reduced HIPS. Tho better than nuthin' and for what it does have, free doesn't get any better.
     
  18. Rasheed187

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    Correct it still doesn't work with Sandboxie, but you can always buy KeyScrambler which did give me some problems I believe, so I removed it.
     
  19. Rasheed187

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    You can say that again, I can't stand these dumb and pointless tests which don't even give clear results. And we must not forget that SS is not an AV, it's a behavior blocker, so in order to test it you should actually let all of those infostealers run and check if SS alerts about certain suspicious behavior which of course should be blocked.
     
  20. Surt

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    I just got an email with a discount code for the lifetime license with the instructions to "select the product you want to purchase and the number of licenses, click the Purchase button, input the coupon code into the Your Coupon Code field and hit the Update button."

    Except there ain't no coupon code field. Just for grins, I selected the 1 year license and the code threw in a discount.

    I opened a ticket to find out what the discount is off that 111 bucks.

    And find out what happens to the license I got in April, my third "renewal." As in, can I begin the lifetime in 2023?

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    The code's valid until June 10.
     
  21. bellgamin

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    The offer of a discounted LIFETIME license extends to any & all SpyShelter versions. It says to enter the discount code CM22 on the product checkout page.

    It's a good discount for a great anti-malware including several types of protection (HIPS, firewall, anti-keylogger, etc). However, I recommend buying a lifetime subscription if-&-only-if you are rather younger than my 91 years. At my age, I buy 1-year subscriptions & hope I will use them long enough to need their renewal. :):p:)
     
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  22. Houley456

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    Come on bell...surely you jest...you are not 91 years.:)
     
  23. Surt

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    That's what some of it says and it says more than that. While it also says nothing that matches up.

    "How to use the discount code?
    Coupon code can be used on the product checkout page. Simply go to SpyShelter Purchase Page,

    (Here's the part you missed and exactly what I quoted in #295.)
    select the product you want to purchase and the number of licenses, click the Purchase button, input the coupon code into the Your Coupon Code field and hit the Update button."

    The screenshot I posted in #295 is the checkout page.

    SpyShelterProductCheckout.jpg

    On the purchase page you can select the product, but not the number of licenses. There is a purchase button.

    That takes you to the checkout page where you can select the number of licenses. Clearly there is no "Your Coupon Code" field for the lifetime license. On the one year license checkout page, the field is "I have a discount coupon" where there is a field if you tick the check box, and no update button but a refresh graphic.

    For only the lifetime license, if for yet another dysfunctional, convoluted page design flunk that after one fills out the billing info and payment options and after hitting the continue button there then maybe is another coupon field presented, I'm not going to give that a "What if?", not at any price point. And not even knowing what the discount knocks off that $111? Or is that the sale price meant by "Lifetime Licenses for SpyShelter are back on sale or an indefinite period of time." If so, why doesn't the checkout page or the email show as such?

    Following right after my post, yours makes me out to be some kind of dimwit, so now I had to waste all this time because you needed to sound important and add one more bump up to your post count. Unless YOU know how to plug in the discount code. Why don't you just say so?
     
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  24. bellgamin

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    I'm sorry if it looks that way. I never intended my post as a response to yours. I hadn't even read your post. I had just received SS's email about the discount so I merely intended to provide the discount code CM22 in case anyone wanted to use it. The 2nd paragraph was just an brief endorsement of SpyShelter's value as a useful anti-malware tool.

    I have not tried to use the code, of course, because a lifetime subscription would make no sense for me.
     
  25. moredhelfinland

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    What i've learned, while testing G Data BB against magniber(it was very fresh sample). The system was encrypted very, very fast. So did one Russian ransomware i tested, which did modified a lot of registry keys.
    So, installed NVT registry Guard, copy pasted some registry rules. Ran the sample again--->epic failed
     
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