BootIt Bare Metal

Discussion in 'backup, imaging & disk mgmt' started by Hadron, Oct 21, 2019.

  1. n8chavez

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    BiBM acts as a kind of bootloader, allowing you to view, keep track of, organize, and tweak your bootable partitions. It is not a replacement for BootIt UEFI, but can be used in conjunction with it.
     
  2. Hadron

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    OK.
    I thought one was for legacy BIOS computers, and one for UEFI computers.
    But I'm only learning.
     
  3. puff-m-d

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    Hello @Brian K ,

    I have a question concerning using BootNow with BIBM. From what I have researched, BootNow works exactly the same way with BIBM as it does with BIU with Windows. My question is concerning BootNow/BIBM with IFL and Ubuntu. Will the same basic script structure work that I use with BIU also work with BIBM? I am by no means a scripting expert and I am hoping the same scripting structure will work with the appropriate BootNow files for BIBM...
     
  4. Brian K

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    Yes, "same" BootNow scripts are used in BIU and BIBM. Here is my script in IFL to boot win10 (probably the same as your script), UEFI.

    Code:
    #! /bin/sh
    cd boot/scripts/bn
    ./bootnowu win10
    For a MBR system it would be...

    Code:
    #! /bin/sh
    cd boot/scripts/bn
    ./bootnow win10
     
  5. puff-m-d

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    Hello @Brian K ,

    Thanks a lot for your answers.

    I am doing a fresh install of Windows 10 version 2004 (when it is released so it will be a couple of weeks before I do it) on an old MBR system. The system is about 10 to 12 years old and I will be using BIBM and BootNow with Windows and ubuntu along with partitions for TBWinRE and IFL. Since I have never used BIBM or BootNow on an MBR system before, I am just trying to get my research and notes together before I do it.
     
  6. Brian K

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    That's 5 primary partitions so you will be using "Unlimited Primaries". Good.

    Maybe more than 5 primary partitions if the Win10 install creates extra partitions. That's OK.
     
  7. puff-m-d

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    Thanks Brian.

    I think I have what I need to planned out satisfactorily now. Of course if I run into any issues, you may get another question or two from me in a week or two...
     
  8. Hadron

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    Hi Frog.
    My laptop was running fine booting from the D drive until recently. But I started getting the same blue screen error as posted above.
    I have now had to move TBWinRE over to the C drive just like I had to do on my older desktop.
    It is working again now.

    Strange...
     
  9. TheRollbackFrog

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    Is your D drive SSD or HDD? ..and the C drive, same question (just running device speeds through my mind).

    ...and there's never been a BiOS upgrade on my desktop with the issue so I've never been able to re-check it on my machine. I may just revisit this with an SSD as my D drive... just for kicks. Every other platform I've ever messed with (desktop or laptop) has never had this issue... "Strange" is a very good description o_O
     
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  10. Hadron

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    It's an SSD.
    It's a fairly new laptop.
    ASUS ROG Zephyrus M GM501GS.

    And come to think of it, it has had a BIOS upgrade.

    I don't think the latest IFW 3.40 would have made the difference.

     
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  11. walang

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    hallo everyone,
    can anyone help me step by step using this app, i already have this app from 2017, but i don't know how to use it, i've tried it on a virtual machine, successfully installed the os, but when i add a second os it always fails to boot, read the tutorial instead I'm even more confused, the videos on the website also can't help me, I also can't find a tutorial for this application on YouTube, I hope there are forum members who are willing to provide step-by-step instructions in simple language, it will be easier for me if there are pictures or videos from the beginning to the end of the process. what i want to do is assume i have 60gb hard drive and want to install windows 7, windows xp and linux mint and one partition to store data, how do i do it, thank you
     
  12. Brian K

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    walang,

    Some background on partitions.

    GPT allows 128 primary partitions per drive. MBR only allows 4 primary partitions per drive.

    BIBM creates an Extended MBR (in LBA 1 to LBA 62). The EMBR can hold more than 200 Primary partitions. But at any one time the MBR partition table can only hold 4 primary partitions. So only 4 primary partitions (per drive) can be seen in Windows and Linux. BIBM allows you to choose which 4 (or less) primary partitions you want to use with a particular Boot Item.

    For example, your partitions might be...

    Win10
    Win8
    Data1
    Data2
    TBWinRE
    IFL
    Mint
    Swap
    Ubuntu
    BIBM

    Your Boot Item for Win10 could be...

    Win10
    Data1

    or

    Win10
    Data1
    Data2

    The other partitions aren't in the MBR partition table of LBA 0. So they aren't seen in Windows. They are represented by Unallocated Free Space in Disk Management. This is why you must not use other partitioning apps and probably other imaging software as only TeraByte apps can see the partitions. It would be easy to over-write partitions that the non-TeraByte software can't see.

    If you run BIBM in Limited Primaries mode (I don't) then you can't have extra partitions in the EMBR and all partitions are seen in Windows. You will need to use Unlimited Primaries as you require more than 4 primary partitions on your drive.

    Page 74 in the BIBM pdf explains how to install an OS. Windows or Linux. Basically it involves creating the OS partition, creating a Boot Item, deciding which partitions you want seen (MBR Details section using Fill and Clear), doing a sham boot of the Boot Item to set the intended OS Active and then installing the OS. You don't need to have the BIBM partition in the MBR Details. That would waste a partition slot.

    To install a Linux OS you must be careful to install the booting files into the partition and not into the MBR. See "Something else" in the following pages...

    https://www.terabyteunlimited.com/kb/article.php?id=279

    https://www.terabyteunlimited.com/kb/article.php?id=281

    So, a few questions. How old is your computer? Which partitions do you have on the HD? Their sizes? Is the HD 60 GB or larger? How much RAM is present? Which CPU is present? Do you have the latest BIBM, ver 1.76?
     
  13. walang

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    hi Brian K,
    before i actually install it on the actual system i want to try it first i virtual machine, i use vmware, i made a partition of 60 gb i allocated 4 gb of ram, i plan to use 25 gb for windows 7, windows xp 10 gb, 20 gb for linux mint and the rest as a partition to store data, I have successfully installed windows but when I try to install the next os the second os always won't boot, I haven't even made a step to install linux and create a data partition, I use google translate, read the tutorial makes me more confused
    How old is your computer? I use acer aspire vx15 for host
    Which partitions do you have on the HD? i have a ssd 128 gb as drive c: and one tera for drive d:, i install vmware on drive d:
    Their sizes? right now drive d: have about 280 gb
    Is the HD 60 GB or larger? larger but i make 60 gb for this experiment
    How much RAM is present? i have 16 gb
    Which CPU is present? intel core i7
    Do you have the latest BIBM, ver 1.76? yes
    I use google translate, so I hope you can understand what I wrote and I really thank you for being willing to help me
     
  14. Brian K

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    Hi walang,

    Your translation is good.

    Your virtual machine could be the reason for your BIBM problems. When you are ready to use it on a real drive, I can help. I have text files on most of the steps so it's easy for me to issue specific instructions. Installing BIBM will not cause issues with your current OS.

    Which OS are you using at present? Partition size? Any other partitions on that drive? Do you have 1 or 2 drives? I assume it's a desktop, not a laptop.
     
  15. walang

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    hi Brian,
    does any member here use this app in vmware ?, the reason i try to use it in vmware is because the c: drive is too small now
    Which OS are you using at present? i use windows 10 64 bit
    Partition size? drive c: 128 gb drive d: one tera
    Any other partitions on that drive? no
    Do you have 1 or 2 drives? 2 drive, drive c: ssd and drive d: regular harddisk
    I assume it's a desktop, not a laptop. it is a laptop
     
  16. Brian K

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    walang, I used BIBM in a virtual machine years ago. I can't recall if it was successful.

    You have 2 drives. Win10 is on the first drive. HD0. How much Free Space do you have in that partition?

    BIBM installs to HD0 and subsequent Windows OS need to be installed to HD0 as well. They can be moved to HD1 but initial installation has to be to HD0. This could present a problem if your Win10 OS doesn't have much Free Space to resize it smaller.
     
  17. walang

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    I don't want to install it on a real system at this time, drive c: is too small, from 128 gb now only 57 gb is free
     
  18. Brian K

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    You have two options...

    Resize your Win10 partition to 80 GB, install an OS into the 30 GB or so of Unallocated space, then move the new OS to HD1. Then install the next OS and move it, etc. You can resize your Win10 to 128 GB when you are finished.

    Second option, reverse the position of your drives in the laptop so the 1 TB drive becomes HD0. Install BIBM on HD0 and this will allow Win10 to boot and run at full speed. Then install your new OS to the 1 TB drive, HD0. I prefer this option. It's easier than Option 1.
     
  19. Brian K

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    Or you could buy a larger SSD.
     
  20. walang

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    looks like this is the only solution for me
     
  21. Brian K

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    You can use BIBM to create an image of the SSD, writing the image to the 1 TB HD. Replace the SSD. Then restore the image to the larger SSD.

    You can use BIBM boot media for this. BIBM doesn't need to be installed.
     
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