Windows 10 is 3 years old today

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  1. stapp

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    I'm still wondering what happened to Windows 9. :thumbd:
     
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    Although malicious and vicious, at least Microsoft *** *** ***** ** clearly warn its users:

    https://privacy.microsoft.com/en-us/privacystatement

    Basically, it's a virus+trojan+malvertizer+OS (so called OS) lol folks. Privacy on Windows 10? Absolutely not.
    Yes I know you can use tricks to shut up some of these behaviors, but why would Microsoft want to collect my passwords and credit cards credentials? What if hackers hacked into that database even if Microsoft has no malicious intention of using it?

    I quote:

    "The data we collect can include the following:

    Name and contact data. Your first and last name, email address, postal address, phone number, and other similar contact data.

    Credentials. Passwords, password hints, and similar security information used for authentication and account access.

    Demographic data. Data about you such as your age, gender, country, and preferred language.

    Payment data. Data to process payments, such as your payment instrument number (such as a credit card number) and the security code associated with your payment instrument.

    Subscription and licensing data. Information about your subscriptions, licenses, and other entitlements.

    Interactions. Data about your use of Microsoft products. In some cases, such as search queries, this is data you provide in order to make use of the products. In other cases, such as error reports, this is data we generate. Other examples of interactions data include:

    • Device and usage data. Data about your device and the product and features you use, including information about your hardware and software, how our products perform, as well as your settings. For example:
      • Payment and Account History. Data about the items you purchase and activities associated with your account.
      • Browse History. Data about the web pages you visit.
      • Device, connectivity, and configuration data. Data about your device, your device configuration, and nearby networks. For example, data about the operating systems and other software installed on your device, including product keys. In addition, IP address, device identifiers (such as the IMEI number for phones), regional and language settings, and information about WLAN access points near your device.
      • Error reports and performance data. Data about the performance of the products and any problems you experience, including error reports. Error reports (sometimes called “crash dumps”) can include details of the software or hardware related to an error, contents of files opened when an error occurred, and data about other software on your device.
      • Troubleshooting and Help Data. Data you provide when you contact Microsoft for help, such as the products you use, and other details that help us provide support. For example, contact or authentication data, the content of your chats and other communications with Microsoft, data about the condition of your device, and the products you use related to your help inquiry. When you contact us, such as for customer support, phone conversations or chat sessions with our representatives may be monitored and recorded.
    • Interests and favorites. Data about your interests and favorites, such as the sports teams you follow, the programming languages you prefer, the stocks you track, or cities you add to track things like weather or traffic. In addition to those you explicitly provide, your interests and favorites can also be inferred or derived from other data we collect.
    • Content consumption data. Information about media content (e.g., TV, video, music, audio, text books, apps and games) you access through our products.
    • Searches and commands. Search queries and commands when you use Microsoft products with search or related productivity functionality.
    • Voice data. Your voice data, such as the search queries or commands you speak, which may include background sounds.
    • Text, inking, and typing data. Text, inking, and typing data and related information. For example, when we collect inking data, we collect information about the placement of your inking instrument on your device.
    • Images. Images and related information, such as picture metadata. For example, we collect the image you provide when you use a Bing image-enabled service.
    • Contacts and relationships. Data about your contacts and relationships if you use a product to share information with others, manage contacts, communicate with others, or improve your productivity.
    • Social data. Information about your relationships and interactions between you, other people, and organizations, such as types of engagement (e.g., likes, dislikes, events, etc.) related to people and organizations.
    • Location data. Data about your device’s location, which can be either precise or imprecise. For example, we collect location data using Global Navigation Satellite System (GNSS) (e.g., GPS) and data about nearby cell towers and wi-fi hotspots. Location can also be inferred from a device’s IP address or data in your account profile that indicates where it is located with less precision, such as at a city or postal code level.
    • Other input. Other inputs provided when you use our products. For example, data such as the buttons you press on an Xbox wireless controller using Xbox Live, skeletal tracking data when you use Kinect, and other sensor data, like the number of steps you take, when you use devices that have applicable sensors. And, if you use Spend, at your direction, we also collect financial transaction data from your credit card issuer to provide the service.
    Content. Content of your files and communications you input, upload, receive, create, and control. For example, if you transmit a file using Skype to another Skype user, we need to collect the content of that file to display it to you and the other user. If you receive an email using Outlook.com, we need to collect the content of that email to deliver it to your inbox, display it to you, enable you to reply to it, and store it for you until you choose to delete it. Other content we collect when providing products to you include:

    • Communications, including audio, video, text (typed, inked, dictated, or otherwise), in a message, email, call, meeting request, or chat.
    • Photos, images, songs, movies, software, and other media or documents you store, retrieve, or otherwise process with our cloud.
    Video or recordings. Recordings of events and activities at Microsoft buildings, retail spaces, and other locations. If you enter Microsoft Store locations or other facilities, or attend a Microsoft event that is recorded, we may process your image and voice data.

    Feedback and ratings. Information you provide to us and the content of messages you send to us, such as feedback, survey data, and product reviews you write.

    Product-specific sections below describe data collection practices applicable to use of those products."
     
  5. reasonablePrivacy

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    For your online Microsoft account (if you have one) and Windows Store purchases.
    I don't defend all that telemetry, error reporting and W. Defender spynet, but these are legitimate reasons.
     
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    So you mean if an online seller/merchant/store would like to save your password and payment credentials for future purchases, without an easy opt-out options, it's legitimate reasons? No not to me. It's what trojans do.
     
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    i'm not defending M$ either but you can use Win10 without an account. I do.
     
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    Happy Birthday Windows 10. :) The push for Win 10 is one of the main reasons I went Mac. :argh:
     
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    :D I could have a super nice Linux up and running at any time but am bound and determined to stuff the fanfare of Windows 8.1 right through Microsoft's nose to the end.

    They can trick all those gullibles with that WIN 10 spy machine all they want. I do use WIN 10 completely OFFLINE and make good use of it's VIDEO PLAYER for all my classics. :isay:
     
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    On a small site I visit, there's a thread about Windows 10, and it isn't pretty. Six people are participating. All have complaints about Windows 10. Four of the six have recurrent audio problems. They turn on their computer and have sound. If they leave and it goes to sleep or whatever, no sound when they come back. They have to reboot to get sound. They've tried everything they can think of and no luck.

    Another reason I'm not moving to Windows 10.
     
  11. xxJackxx

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    Did any of them try to disable Fast Startup?
     
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    I don't know. One of the 4 has put 8 or 8.1 back on their machine. I'll suggest it to them and see what happens. Regardless, I'm staying with 8.1.

    I would accept an isolated instance, but four people having the same problem on a small site with barely 50 members isn't isolated. And I've seen the same audio problem discussed on computer sites. So far as I've read, even those who work with computers and software haven't been able to fix it.
     
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    I'm going to be doing this last newest update on one of the pair of Win 10's in this group (not updated in quite awhile) but no matter since all production machines on this end are previous versions of 8-8.1 that sing and dance as well as any 10 ever could.

    Windows 7 user's fascinate this user because frankly, I never been on 7 at all. See them around and their user's are thrilled to peaches with it in comparison to 10. Win 8 too for that matter since they don't have the double split screen/process ordeal of balancing Tiles-Store Features.
     
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    Eh, 4 out of 50 is 8%, still not huge. It's not uncommon for devices to have Audio/USB/Wi-Fi issues when power management is involved. I would try the disabling of Fast Startup and if that doesn't get it and there are no driver updates for the affected devices then they of course can run whatever OS they want. I've never found sleep mode to work well on any desktop and ok on some laptops. I just pretty much gave up on it a long time ago. I've had better luck with Windows 10 than 8/8.1 but that is a matter of compatibility and preference.
     
  15. roger_m

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    That is not a common problem and this is the first time I've heard of it. I've installed Windows 10 on many computers, some of which are so old they came with XP installed and I've seen very few problems. Sure, some people have major issues with Windows 10, but I'm sure that they are in the minority.
     
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    Truth be told I have little gripe about 10 however all the forcing issues and telemetry background interruptions completely sours the taste of interest in it to be of serious use for me in a production environment. 8.1 does absolutely great a job as ever. Including security.

    In other words it runs fine and it's Video player gets high marks from this user but the AI (Cortana) is also useless given it mostly requires a net tether which in turn relays to MS servers so on and so forth.

    The frequent constant updating that experimental model borders on maddening IMO.

    No feedback to Edge however it is what it is I guess. Ole diehard IE loyalist here in spite of it's horrific rep for being swiss cheese for intrusion vectors.

    @Chuck57- Crossed fingers, on the pair of Win 10's here there is been no such audio issue and judging from what you read and passed along, chances are that newer computers/tablets are more prone to that. I always save the newest Audio Drivers from the maker's website and override any that Win 10 thinks is best choice and have not run into that predicament locally.

    About to play with Windows 10 in-depth and serious soon and see if it still lives up to either it's hype or the disgruntled reports of it become so frustrating user's throw in the towel. Since I won't use it in no form or fashion in a production environment (although I do go online with it for periods) there's ample space to weigh it's muster with a sound result from real world experience-not malware testing it either as is been common.
     
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    I also did it. However, I got sick of the Windows 10 problems.
    Microsoft has lost its focus on Windows 10.
    Every six (6) months, Microsoft removes Windows 10 Features, adds new ones, and here, we go again.
    What a mess...
     
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    For now and it is actually very well hidden. I had to google how to do it.
    Code:
    https://www.csoonline.com/article/2956427/microsoft-subnet/how-to-setup-a-local-account-in-windows-10-during-or-after-installation.html
     
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    If I didn't know better (and I'm not sure I do), I'd have to conclude that MS is deliberately trying to destroy the home desktop and laptop market.... :)
     
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    And MS has done a "terrific" job with Windows 10...:confused: :mad:
     
  21. xxJackxx

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    Experiences vary. I am using Windows 10 Pro on a 9 year old laptop, a desktop, and about 20 PCs at work. Other than a couple of hardware compatibility issues with last year's Fall Update it's been very stable and low maintenance. Nobody at work complains about using it. I haven't seen a BSOD in months. It's not perfect by any means, but it is more than usable and gives us far less downtime than 7 or 8 did.
     
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    Wow, not older? It seems ages ago. I remember I got lured to Windows 10 from Linux, because it IS the best windows ever. Took about two and half years to get tired of it, I realized it was still Windows... :)
     
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    To begin with...:D
     
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    Well I brought up one Windows 10 (which is on SSD 125Gb) (WD Green) up to current and once again (as much as I hate to resort to this) afterwards deployed WPC-WinUpdatesDisabler_x64 and Win10SpyDisabler64. And man could I ever make use of AI Cortana Assistant "IF" it didn't rely on active net connection. I'm one of those who thrilled on MS Agents in the past on XP and hoped against hope Microsoft would break thru with a fantastic AI whereby a Windows user could interact on a myriad of different useful actions, and some amusements for good measure but locally and not having it to have to depend on an active connection to perform tasks.

    I bet some mobility laden folks could really benefit greatly and likely most already use it AS-IS regardless. I won't go in to that since this is a topic on Windows 10 3 years old.

    My take on Windows 10 is that it's gonna take a drastic radical departure from what they consider at present the norm to better hone and improve Win 10 and one of the first things they must do IMHO to push this thing forward properly, is can the Telemetry and record level updates and turn focus back again on what made Windows a picture perfect framework of sorts, and to squash the negatives it draws so much of from the folks who feel adversely impacted with the huge rise of way too much going on in it and from it, and take it in a better direction for everyone-including theirselves. But that's just my personal wishful thinkings.
     
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    I'll tell you what they need to do. If we get a Win 10 version that works well on our computers, leave us alone and let us keep it. Maybe upgrade every year or two ..IF we choose. But give us the choice.
     
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