My old faithful 4yrs+ Lenovo G780 17.3" left hinge is messed up. It's going to fall apart soon I surmise. And I didn’t want W10 & since M$ beats the **** out of manufacturers I can’t install W7 on the newest 7th & 8th gen Intel CPU afaik. So I was getting panicky. I did the best I could for my needs & budget. HP ProBook 470 G3 Notebook i5-6200U 8GB RAM 500GB HDD 17.3" Win7 W0S57UT#ABL I didn’t do too much research because there is less & less available stock per my requirements. I swore I’d wouldn't buy a new HP. Well mister high & mighty just bought an HP. At least it’s HP ProBook Series which are miles better than the HP consumer line. Well for hardly any new 17" W7 laptops out there I think I did pretty good at $727 otd. F M$ btw if you couldn’t tell. Hope this W7 laptop lasts as my desktop replacement until Big Brother is toppled, Pandora's box is closed or until the Apocalypse does whatever.
Huh? That makes no sense. W10 is the best and most secure Windows version yet. In most scenarios, W10 is equal or more efficient in system resource utilization and performs equally or better than W7 and W8 as seen here and here. And most importantly, W10 is does this more securely. And it is critical to understand and accept the fact that manufacturers are designing their latest hardware for W10 - not legacy operating systems - especially one nearly 9 years old that is already beyond its mainstream support life-cycle. If you don't like Microsoft, fine. That's your Right and I will defend with vigor your Right to express it - if based on fact. So if you don't like Microsoft, fine, then use Linux. Taking opportunistic, biased bashes at Microsoft over something it is clear you don't really understand really makes little sense. I am glad, however, you like your new HP and am also glad you chose it over a new Lenovo. Assuming you like the monitor's display quality, it sounds like you got a pretty good deal. I would have opted for a SSD (if budget allowed) but that's me.
It makes perfectly sense for me. Perhaps the most secure (I really don't care), BUT the best? Nope, I don't think so, here's one example: https://www.wilderssecurity.com/thr...ng-to-windows-10-fall-creators-update.397421/ and ask @Krusty if he's happy with this issue. I like 8.1 never like 7 though.
One, two or even a few exceptions do not set the rule. Every thing I said above is true. W7 is a legacy product and out of mainstream support. Hardware makers are optimizing their new hardware for W10 and, just as many hardware makers (and software developers) have for XP, will stop developing products, drivers, and software for W7. And while I may trust Krusty is not making his stories up, he sure does not make up my mind for me, nor does he represent the vast majority of W10 users who are happy. And for the record, thus far, we have updated over 2 dozens W10 systems here to the FCU, all with no reported problems - including this system I am using now. Also for the record, there have been problems with W7 updates in the past too. With over 1.5 billion Windows systems out there, virtually every single computer is unique with unique hardware, security and application configurations. Is it really fair to expect no problems? Did some users have problems installing XP service packs? Yes. Did some users have problems installing W7 SP1? Yes. Did some users have problems upgrading from W8 to W8.1? Yes. Have some users of Linux and MacOS going through major upgrades have problems? Yes. Did the vast majority of those updating have no problems? Yes. Don't let what is seen in the trenches at tech support sites cloud perceptions. The Toyota mechanics who sees broken Toyotas all day might get the impression Toyotas are lousy cars. But the fact is, the vast majority of Toyotas are purring along just fine.
Yep, the problem is that extended support will end in 2020. Maybe if they allow POSReady-like extension period, few years more... But after that no more security updates.
Just a few reasons I'm resisting the Borg I mean w10. Cortana can never be uninstalled & M$ says it can be turned off. I don't believe it. Telemetry, telemetry, telemetry. Forced no choice updates. Rigamarole to turn off ads. Did I mention telemetry. And believe it M$ is turning back on or adding new telemetry snooping stuff with the forced updates. Wtf do I get from M$ knowing when I s,s & s? Nothing that's what.
What ads? Have anyone here actually seen ads on their Windows 10? What experience do you actually have with Windows 10? A lot of people complain how Microsoft must make their OS more secure, and yet that's what the telemetry is helping with
Just a normal users with his own personal experience with Windows 10. Nothing more, nothing less. Btw, I apologize if you felt I insulted you in any way no matter how minor, that wasn't my intention. Sorry, if it sounded like it did. My experience with W10 was that things like telemetry are extremely helpful cause without it I don't think the few issues I encountered would been resolved as quickly and efficiently.
No offense taken or given. I just mean some very smart people use or don't use 10 but they know what's being taken from them. Others who use 10 really don't know - might say they do though. And others use 10, fb or whatever they don't care one nit for their privacy.
Zapjb, a few things: You should be able to install on new processors, you might not be able to get updates. But you can work around that too. The issue is that you might experience odd compatibility or performance issue, although this is unlikely in most home scenarios. You can configure w10 to be silent and non-phone-home, check my ultimate privacy guide on this topic - it explains how to neuter all the nonsense. You run local account, no telemetry, no cortana, none of the modern app stuff, and still a few other tricks besides. You end up with zero outbound connections with standard desktop use, zero tracking, and still have windows that is supported, with drivers, apps, and security. If you need the link, let me know. Mrk
zapjb, hope you enjoy your purchase. I did what you done when I bought my last W7. W8 was out already but I hated the idea of not having an Start Menu so I bought a W7 for more money than the W8 would had costed even though it had better specs and the newer system. I feel I made the right decision then. But this time when I bought my last computer this past July, I wanted W10, despite all the noise. Again, made the right decision. The system works a lot better than I expected and I like it. I hated the idea of the Cortana thing. That kind of thing is not for me. Luckily, during first start of the laptop, during set up, I was given the choice to disable Cortana, and I did. To this day, I haven't heard from it. My new laptop came with W10 version 1607, and even though I upgraded the system twice already, there is no Cortana anywhere and have not had to deal with it in anyway during my use of W10. Telemetry. I kind of agree with Azure phoenix. I see telemetry as feedback that Microsoft gets from my computer to make it better. It get bug and problem reports and MS then uses this feedback to deliver to your computer the needed fix. Amazing stuff, if the user dont fight it back. No choice on what to do with updates. This is a biggie. You know, during XP and W7, I got used to disabling Windows updates and doing the updates 3 or 4 weeks after getting released. I wanted to do the same with W10, I thought about using an option called metered connection and even thought about disabling the WU service to "fight back". But you know, that changed after the first 4 or 5 days I had my laptop. Thankfully, it didnt take me longer than that to realize that to enjoy and have a positive experience in W10 is better not to fight the system but to go along with it, take what Microsoft gives you and make the best you can of it. Thats what I done. So now, I don't mind updating immediately. For example. The FCU upgrade was released on Tuesday. It was not push to my computer on Tuesday and if I left it alone it probably would have been months before I gotten it, but I took the decision to update the laptop on Tuesday. This behavior on my part is totally the opposite of what I would have done with XP and W7. Ads. I dont see any ads. Sure, if you use the Store and want to see ads, you are gonna get some that entice users into buying programs. But you can turn that stuff off. I am not a Store kind of guy. Its there but I dont let it bother me any. Bo
You can downgrade laptops with pre-installed windows 10 using both a ei.cfg file and PID file. I have downgraded one of my laptops that way, pretty sure its not illegal putting the operating system I prefer on my laptops, of course any manufacture warranty would be void is all.
Its extremely unlikely you will find one. Most major manufacturers are not even selling machines with Windows 7 downgrade rights. There are also issues with new Kaby Lake Intel Procs or newer on anything older than Windows 10.
For the folks who are mentioning disabling Cortana. I don't believe it's the same as uninstalling it. Think of it in tinfoil hat terms while I think of it in Edward Snowden terms.
On Pro versions or greater you can disable it via GPO. Anything less than Pro there is a registry key (same key the GPO modifies) you can modify that disables it.
If I was hook by Snowden or allowed that kind of stuff to bother me, I wouldn't use Windows or cell phones, and live in a cave with no phones in an island. Bo
Sorry Circuit, I changed the word hole for cave as it is more realistic. Here where I live we have a big lake with a thousand small islands where you can go and get away from the world, computers, people, etc. Bo
