Interesting article mentioning Acronis

Discussion in 'backup, imaging & disk mgmt' started by Peter2150, Oct 16, 2017.

  1. Peter2150

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    Peter, are you now recommending Acronis?
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  3. Peter2150

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    Since I now have it on two machines I guess the answer is yes.

    Since reliability is excellent across all of these the next measure is speed.

    In terms of full imaging all 3 are about the same on my test box about 22 minutes for 160gb

    In terms of full restores The times are about the same as the imaging

    Taking an incremental an hour after the full

    Macrium v6 about 50 seconds

    IFW and Acronis about 2-3 minutes.

    Restore an hour after that first incremental

    Macrium v6 50-65 seconds.

    IFW about 5 minutes

    Acronis 23 minutes.
     
  4. pandlouk

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    Hi Pete,

    this seems more like paid advertisment for acronis than a real article.
    If this is A.I. then I am green martian texting from jupiter...(I'm on vacation in another planet at the moment):)

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    ROFL. If you are talking about machine learning where you try to predict something in the future based on past data, absolutely. If on the other hand you are talking about the ability to to finally getting something like logs right after how many years, that I would call artificial intelligence they might have it.

    However in terms of the imaging in spite of the bloat it is now not bad at all. Also while ignoring the point of having a ransomware module, which might have been the point of that article, they actually did a pretty decent job of it.
     
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    :) Yes, I was talking about self learning and deciding program.

    Personally I do not like neither acronis or macrium's approach. I can see a point of integrating these tools in their suites, but I would prefer to see them as addons instead of being forced to their customers.

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    Well it doesn't sound like Macrium's approach is all that stellar, and I don't count on them, I protect those files with Pumpernickel. If there had been any conflict, I'd turned off Acronis active protection.
     
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    I don't have Acronis 2018. My wife says I don't need. It'll work out. I do understand that the current update of Acronis is Win 10 fall update compatible, which I believe Macrium might not be and, of course, I'm using Macrium free (latest version).
     
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    The current build of Acronis 2018 may be compatible with Win10 Fall CU when you install it in Windows; however it does not work when you try to save a backup image to a ReFS 3.3 (the ReFS version comes with Fall CU) formatted disk in PE or Linux boot media, even if the PE boot media was made under Windows 10 Fall CU. IFW boot media made under Win10 Fall CU, on the other hand, works without a glitch. IFW, Ghost solutions suite and DS all works fine.
     
  10. pandlouk

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    Pete, since you have and can test all three of them. Can you test what will happen if you kill their services (with microsoft's kill tool and Pskill)?
    https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/debugger/kill-tool
    https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/pskill

    ps. if you have a 32bit OS and want to play, you could also give Kekill a test (it can terminate a process from kernel mode)
    http://www.rohitab.com/discuss/topic/40788-2-ways-to-terminate-a-process-from-kernel-mode/

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  11. Peter2150

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    No 32bit OS. Not sure exactly what you want me to test.

    Several issues.

    1 Macrium clear cut, one service
    2. Acronis 2018 has 6 services, which one?
    3 I don 't see a service for IFW.

    Also note. I am one Win 7. Acronis is the latest, IFW is also the latest, But on Macrium I am running V6, no v7

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    Hi Pete,

    I reread my post and indeed is confusing. I wanted you to terminate the service or the driver
    https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/ff559959(v=vs.85).aspx
    https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/debugger/-kill--kill-process-
    responsible for the monitoring/protection against ransomware.

    If a sophisticated ransomware can terminate that service or the driver (even if it is done after a reboot) and the system doesn't immediately go in BSOD, such protections become useless.

    Panagiotis
     
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  13. Peter2150

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    Hi Panagiotis

    I've got it. First look at Appguard self protection. Not only can't terminate the process if you go into Sysinternals Autoruns you can't even uncheck the service to keep it from starting on reboot. Only way around that is to turn off Appguards TamperGuard first. So now back to our three friends.

    IFW has no ransomware component, they are sticking to what they know. Nothing to test

    Macrium v7. I don't run it, but from what I am reading it's close to being the same as IFW. But they may be violating the sticking to what they know.

    That leaves Acronis. Simple test. I tried killing the active protection process with Taskmgr, and was successful. Not good. For me as long as it doesn't interfere I let it run, but it causes any problem it gets killed.

    Pete

    PS I don't count on any of them to protect my system
     
  14. pandlouk

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    Hi Pete,

    thanks. I do not any antiransomware or antiwhatever on my systems (only sandboxie). I was just curious if they really provide sufficient protection for those that want it...

    ps.sorry for the late reply... I had connection problems for 7-8 days
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  15. Peter2150

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    Hi Panagiotis

    I ended up taking Acronis off. Just to much to do to little. I do a bit of protection, but I use Pumpernickel. Clean simple and works.

    Pete
     
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