2015: The PC market has had its worst year ever

Discussion in 'hardware' started by Rasheed187, Feb 11, 2016.

  1. itman

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    This can be summed up by that old truism "You get what you pay for." Since anything from Lenovo can't be trusted, you're forced to do a DoD grade wipe of the HDD, reinstall Windows from scratch, and then hunt for any remove and Lenovo drivers that are installed.
     
  2. Rasheed187

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    Well yes, they offer a good deal at the moment, but I wouldn't actually buy it, since I personally don't trust them either.
     
  3. hawki

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    I desagree - btw the 950 is no slouch

    http://www.amazon.com/dp/B016Z1I77A...olid=2X4FBZ853ML68&coliid=I5LBPYDCZA1CO&psc=1

    http://www.amazon.com/G11CD-G11CD-US008T-Gaming-Desktop-GTX960/dp/B016E803VM/ref=sr_1_9?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1464556204&sr=1-9&keywords=desktop+computer&refinements=p_72:1248879011,p_89:Asus

    Its all relative. I own a 1991 Honda. (LOL-next year it qualifies in my state as an officially recognized antique vehicle with special plates and privileges - WhoTF ever heard of an Antique Honda Accord?)

    Others drive 2016 Mercedes

    http://www.pcmag.com/review/343229/maingear-f131-x99-super-stock
     
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  4. Peter2150

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    With the Lenovo's I'd agree re the consumer models, but I've purchased 3 Lenovo's from the Thinkpad line which is aimed at business, and they do a pretty good job there
     
  5. Rasheed187

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    The desktops that you posted haven't got SSD's, without a SSD it's crap to me.
     
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    pcs are for older people and business.young people use phones and tablets.Older people are set in their ways,and dont like change and would probably stick with their pc and OS until it breaks.Its no surprise whatsoever really.
     
  8. NWOAbschaum

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    im 24 and i say pc all the way! good old gamer :) Nothing better than a powerfull pc.
     
  9. ellison64

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    You are the exception to the rule,the old head on the young body,a dying breed. A powerful pc is only as powerful as what its running.I have core 2 duo running windows 7 and its very fast.I don't need anything else.I cant see PCs getting better sales because of gamers as there isn't that many in the big picture.Pcs will die ,and probably end up as part of your tv,now 3d is dead again.
     
  10. zapjb

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    Leaving out phones & tablets.

    I think the pc/laptop value war is over & laptops have won. Except for gaming rigs where pc's are still a better value. And the used computer market.
     
  11. Robin A.

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    Where I live (not in the US), when I go to a coffee shop/office, all the young people I see are using a laptop (including Macs) and a smartphone. I very rarely see a tablet in display.

    About Lenovo computers, I do trust them, in the sense that I don´t expect Lenovo to steal my bank passwords. I know that if I use several of their apps they may be spying on me in the Windows 10-way, but I don´t use these apps.
     
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    http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-mac-lost-most-pc-market-share-in-2016-chart-2017-1
     
  13. Bill_Bright

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    What a moronic, narrow minded statement. PCs are for people who need PCs and want PCs - that is not just older people (whatever that means). PC sales are declining much in part because the market is already saturated with PCs that are plenty powerful enough to do the job, despite being 5, 6, 7 years old. Plus PC hardware is much more reliable and lasting longer, so there is not the need to replace as often. The PC is not "exciting" as it was. There is a lack of innovation because it is hard to improve on something already perfectly doing its job.

    Just because PC "sales" are declining, that does not mean PC "use" is declining.

    Microsoft's misstep with Windows 8 didn't help, especially with so many still liking W7.

    Yes, young people are buying hand helds but that is due in part of their sad addiction to remain connected and almost paranoid fear of being disconnected or missing something - to the point of stupidity and pandemic distraction that is driving up the cost of insurance for the rest of us. :mad:

    And of course, old is relative. My grandkids think my kids are old. I note the median age for all of the EU is 42.6 years old. For the US it is just under 40.

    And by far, most of those people moving to hand-helds are moving to cell phones, not tablets. Tablets are popular in businesses where the employees are on the move. For example, in doctors' offices and hospitals, warehouses, ect. But even those places have a host of PCs too.

    FTR, the very old may not have embraced the smart phone, but that is due much in part because the tiny screens are too hard to see and it still takes too much dexterity to operate them - not because they are stuck in their ways.

    There are still millions of all ages who prefer larger screens and full sized keyboards. There were over 250 million PC sales in 2016 - that's nothing to sneeze at. And while general purpose PC sales may be declining, gaming PCs (most often purchased by the young - and young at heart) are having prolific sales rates that outperformed expectations!

    Lastly, there are millions and millions of users who are building their own rigs and those figures are NOT factored in annual PC sales.
     
  14. Nightwalker

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    I was going to post something like this, thank you for saving my time :argh:
     
  15. Rasheed187

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    You have made some interesting points. I'm also still a huge fan of PC's, but my biggest complaint is that top models are too expensive. That's why I was glad to see that HP finally offers a reasonably priced model, 1000 bucks is acceptable, especially because you get a 256GB SSD + the NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050.

    https://www.computerstore.nl/product/758289/category-122622/hp-omen-870-225nd.html
     
  16. Bill_Bright

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    This is true, but the top models are also much more capable too. I personally think the top smart phone models are too expensive and those still will not support my two 24 inch monitors.

    I note the top models of big screen TVs, BMWs, and pickup trucks are too expensive too.

    Another problem with hand-held computers, (including notebooks) is while manufacturers can (at least with notebooks) pack the power of the PC into those tiny cases, they cannot pack the necessary cooling to keep the hardware running at full potentials. Consider the fact a full tower case is challenged to provide adequate cooling there's no way a tiny notebook case can.

    Only in the dreams of a marketing weeny does a notebook make a good "desktop replacement" or a gaming machine.

    I guess if the extent of your gaming is Candy Crush or walking into walls and off cliffs looking for Pokemon Go :rolleyes: a smart phone is for you. For me, they can have my PC when they pry my full sized keyboard, mouse, monitors and surround sound speakers from my dead hands.
     
  17. Mrkvonic

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    Bill, you saved me some time typing, so thank you.
    Mrk
     
  18. Mrkvonic

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    BTW, this is what I wrote in 2011:

    "Do you know why the desktop share will drop but never die out? The reason is as follows: people with modest to average computing demands did not have the right kind of technology that met their needs until recently. The growth of small computing devices is sufficient for their work, which is why we're seeing a decline in desktop sales. In mid 90s, computers were pretty much one size. Even in mid-2000s, there was little you could do if you only wanted a computer that plays music. It changed with improved technology, opening possibilities that were previously masked by packaging factor limitations. However, for high-end users, the equation remains unchanged.

    Desktop will remain the preferred choice for the top 20% users, returning handsome margin that will represent about 40-50% total profit for hardware companies. This is one of the reasons why ATI and Nvidia push so aggressively with new cards all the time, because they need to dictate the high end of the envelope. Don't forget the gamers. It's such a lucrative multi-billion industry."


    And on netbooks (the same applies to tablets):

    The problem with netbooks is that they are so much easier to produce. High-end hardware capabilities are restricted to top vendors and big, rich companies with ample resources to pull high-volume sales. However, netbooks are so much more attainable, both to manufacture and buy.

    If you want a computer that actually does a lot, then you want a notebook. If you need a mobile gadget for emergencies and some lightweight work on the go, then you might want to consider a smartphone. The combination of price, ergonomics and actual computing capabilities could render the netbook unnecessary.

    The major advantage netbooks have over smartphones is that they are still so much easier to use. After all, you get a full keyboard, a mouse pointer device, lots of external ports, and a big, handsome screen. Touchscreens also remain fairly primitive. But if the phone vendors figure out how to make their monkey devices usable to a fair degree of comfort, then people might be tempted to ditch netbooks.


    http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/computing-future.html

    Mrk
     
  19. Bill_Bright

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    FTR, I'm old by most standards (65 in a couple days). And my primary computing device is this PC because I like my two large monitors, full sized keyboard and mouse, and the surround sound so I can stream Pandora while I compute. I even have the rear speakers mounted on the wall behind me wired under the floor (through the basement ceiling) and up the walls. But I also have and use a tablet, notebook and cell phone and am pretty sure I am not alone in having multiple type computing devices.
     
  20. mirimir

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    Back in the day, the "joke" was "The PC that you want always costs $2500" :) Now it's more like $1000, even with inflation, unless you're needing hardware that would have cost $5000 then. Or buying Apple ;)
    All of my current VM hosts are small towers, which I bought returned or refurbished. Then I cut holes in the front, and added large low-rpm fans.
    Yeah :)
     
  21. oliverjia

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    the young generation is pussified, that's for sure. Using a smartphone and tablet is just so gay.
     
  22. Bill_Bright

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    No it's not. There are places for both of those devices just as there are for PCs and notebooks. The issue it, does the the smartphone or tablet replace the PC? Or make the PC obsolete? No.
    Every generation has their obstacles and burdens to bear and overcome. I think bullying and peer pressure is worse today than in my time - mostly because social media connects these kids today.

    Just because I had to walk 5 miles in the snow to school, bare foot, and uphill both ways does not mean kids today have it easier. ;)
     
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    I have a custom built desktop (Win 7), a Lenovo laptop preinstalled with Ubuntu (no Chinese fish), and an Asus Nexus tablet. They all get used. They all have uses. Horses for courses.
     
  24. J_L

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    Bluetooth, MHL, etc. can transform phones into fully capable workstations...
     
  25. Mrkvonic

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    The problem is touch interfaces look ridiculous on large screens.
    Also, you don't get the same range of software on ARM as on x86 architecture.
    Mrk
     
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