The future of Windows 10

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  1. emmjay

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    ". Joe will be running the consumer-focused Windows Shell and will be reporting to Terry Myerson; his objective will be to find new ways to make money with Windows 10 as the traditional licensing model of the OS goes away, especially in the lower-priced segment."

    https://www.thurrott.com/windows/wi...l-drive-windows-10-consumer-shell-initiatives

    I assume Windows 10 Pro and Home represents the lower-priced segment. We can only read between the lines at this time, but it does look as though Microsoft feels that the consumer licenses will have to generate revenue for Microsoft in the future. The 'consumer-focused' description of Mr. Belfore's mandate pretty much gives it away. I think we are now getting a glimpse into the future of Windows 10 for the non-fee based user.

    Thurrott is pretty tight with Microsoft so for him to publish an article such as this, there has to be more than rumor or speculation about how MS wants Windows 10 to evolve.
     
  2. emmjay

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    Windows 10 End Of Life ...

    The Windows lifecycle fact sheet shows the end of mainstream support for Windows 10 as 13 October 2020, and the end of extended support as 14 October 2025.

    Last updated: February 2017...

    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/13853/windows-lifecycle-fact-sheet

    In WIndows 10, every release has an End of Life. It is currently understood that there will be minimum support of a year for each release.

    When Microsoft released Windows 10 1507 in July 2015, it was the first Current Branch (CB)release of the operating system. Microsoft have stated that they are expecting to release two more CB releases in 2017. By default, Windows 10 Home, Pro and Enterprise are on the Current Branch (CB) release schedule, and only Pro and Enterprise editions can join the Current Branch for Business (CBB) schedule.
    https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/release-info.aspx

    http://www.infoworld.com/article/31...oodys-win10tip-wait-for-a-stable-version.html

    The Windows 10 Servcing Model is confusing. CB and CBB is what EOL and End of support is based on.

    Version 1507 – also known as build 10240 . Since its launch in 2015, Microsoft released two more revisions – 1511 and 1607 – and the third being 1703 scheduled for March 2017 called the Creators Update. That means, after March 26th, 2017, Windows 10, version 1507 will no longer be serviced as only the two most current versions are actively serviced. This only affects customers utilizing CBB. Customers utilizing CB will continue to receive feature updates as soon as they are publicly available.

    Version 1511 will go end of life when the second version after it is declared CBB + 60 days (grace period). The first version after 1511 is 1607, the second version after 1511 will be later in 2017. Once it is declared CBB + 60 day s, then 1511 will be EOL.

    It takes a version at least 4 months to be declared CBB from its GA date + 60 day grace period, 1511 shouldn't go EOL until late summer of 2017 at the earliest.
     
  3. NormanF

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    Microsoft will probably give away future Windows versions for home users away for free.

    No one is buying the $119.00 version of Windows.
     
  4. Beyonder

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    You can already use Windows 10 without a product key, seemingly forever. I tried it even though I have a paid key available from my school but the only limitation seemed to be the text in the bottom right corner of the desktop.

    It's weird, I think they are actually going to release Windows for free for consumers to install. Perhaps they are only going to charge the OEMs?
     
  5. EASTER

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    They blew it big time IMO when they skipped over a Windows 9. Maybe they should revisit for one in the series that they missed :argh:

    Windows 10 didn't even make it to 2017 in this camp. And I wouldn't believed myself I could ever enjoy 8.1 but that's the key one here.
     
  6. guest

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    Product keys are stored on MS server and will automatically activate Win10 when online.

    if the computer was originally shipped with Win10 and activated. you don't need the key anymore for that computer.

    Win10 home is already free (for those who registered it during the free period), OEM versions are kinda "free" (integrated in the computer price).
     
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    LTSB was introduced by Microsoft for mission critical Enterprise Clients. It has a full 10 years support, much like W7 and W8. In late 2016, there were statements from Microsoft regarding W10 support on new generation chipsets and now in February 2017 newer restrictions that specifically speak to LTSB have came to light. Whether it is Kaby Lake or Ryzen, Microsoft is calling the shots. AMD/Ryzen has just introduced 2017 silicon that supports W10, but it is unclear at this time what their next gen plans are.

    Anybody can download a 90 day trial of LTSB (for free). https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/evalcenter/evaluate-windows-10-enterprise

    http://digiworthy.com/2016/10/07/no-support-intel-cannonlake-coffee-lake-cpus-windows-10-ltsb/

    http://www.computerworld.com/articl...ltsb-void-allure-to-enterprise-customers.html
     
  8. Minimalist

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    Uf, bad news...
    LTSB version is one I was probably gonna use when support for Windows 7 ends.

    There is also this:
    So new versions of LTSB should support new generations of CPUs.
     
  9. emmjay

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    Yes that is so. LTSB clients want a more static version of W10. They did not expect their hardware also had to be static. It was assumed that as long as it was W10 silicon it was supported. The MS 2017 announcement is making it abundantly clear that LTSB users will not really get 10 years support with LTSB.
     
  10. emmjay

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    Playable ads are coming to Windows 10. Opt-in.

    MS does not refer to ads on W10 as advertising, they refer to them as 'suggestions'. The introduction of playable ads for apps in the Window Store is considered an enhanced user experience. o_O

    The link below describes the purpose of introducing playable ads on W10 ...

    https://betanews.com/2017/03/09/playable-ads-arrive-in-windows-10/
     
  11. Peter2150

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    If I define malware as something put on my computer that I don't want, boy does MS fit the description.
     
  12. Minimalist

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    Even if it enhances your experience? :)
     
  13. plat1098

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    Great, more bibble-babble to sift through just to be left alone. Why is this not adware, it seems to have all the attributes? Oh, because it's lofty Microsoft, yep. Thanks for the advanced warning at least.
     
  14. Peter2150

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    That's the point. It's no longer my experience or my computer
     
  15. NormanF

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    If Microsoft is going to push adware crap on us, selling Windows 10 for $119.00 is an insult to the consumer.

    They're already making money bombarding users with ads and I don't want to pay for not having Windows set up the way I like.
     
  16. Rasheed187

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    Yes, this is totally unacceptable, Win 10 is getting worse and worse, shame on M$.
     
  17. Chuck57

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    I tried Win 10 twice. I got the original download, ran it until the anniversary update that caused me nothing but trouble. Fortunately I've got an oem disc for 8.1 Pro that came with this laptop and dumped 10. A month ago, I decided to try 10 once more so told a white lie and downloaded the free win 10 upgrade you can still get from MS for assistive technology users. I wear glasses now, so figured it was just a white lie. It lasted 3 weeks and I'm back with 8.1 Pro for good. Just don't care for win 10 but do actually like 8.1 which has been stable and just as fast.
     
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    It's too bad. Windows 10 could have been a great outing, but it seems to only get more and more convoluted. Enterprise LTSB is a pretty nice little OS, with some additional tweaks of course, but the removal of live tiles, One drive, cortana, 365, xbox and any number of needless (by my definition) additions left me with a nice stripped down, bare bones OS, which runs well and is what I wanted in the first place. I suppose without all the bells and whistles, my version of 10 is not exactly what it was intended for, but all I wanted was a reliable and stable OS, which I was able to achieve however, not by means most are capable of. I suppose the real shame is the lack of options that home and even pro users have available to customize (turn this or that off, remove this and that, telemetry etc. not to mention the cumulative updates) and even those options that are available to tweak can simply be re-added or altered upon an update, so there's no way to truly trust that your changes will still exist sometime in the future. I suppose it all comes down to trust, which MS has lost a lot of over that past few years, but when you run the monopoly of OSs, you tend to get away with a lot more than if there were more competitive OS available. ( I know that linux and others are quite easy to grasp, but as we all know, we here on these boards are not the majority, but the minority and the masses do not want to learn or even try new OS, hence the monopoly's endurance)
     
  19. Osaban

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    No negative experience here. Windows 10 on two fast laptops, the best operating system ever. There were some problems in the beginning migrating from Win 8.1, but all OSs have had some quirks and glitches when first introduced...Playable ads in the Windows store? I've never used it so far.
    Question: whatever comes after Win 10, is it going to be free again?
     
  20. roger_m

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    I have had minor issues with Windows 10, but other than I love it. I also don't use the Windows Store.

    I have found from recent testing that on some old computers with slow CPUs, there is a very noticable speed increase when running Windows 8.1 compared to 10.
     
  21. plat1098

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    How true that is. If only there was a way to surgically excise "Microsoft" from everything you own. Dream on, plat, dream on. Windows 10 is a great operating system for lots of people. But you have to fight for it, too often.
     
  22. NormanF

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    Whatever comes next will be free and Microsoft will cover the cost from valuable Windows apps.

    Selling it one time for $119.00 is stupid and is a one time revenue stream OK? They can give Windows away for free and make money on the back end from recurring revenue apps, which are more valuable to Microsoft.

    If Windows is now a service, makes NO sense to charge for it up front. I hope they're listening in Redmond because when it ended its limited free time offer, it lost a ton of money.

    A recurring income model makes sense and Microsoft has other valuable software it can charge to cover the cost of giving Windows away gratis.
     
  23. Tarnak

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    I bought the package...Surface Book. I won't pay for more. ;)
     
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    Yes, if nothing changes in the coming years, I will also install Win 8 on the next machine that I buy. There's absolutely nothing special that Win 10 offers, and it's a huge privacy risk. M$ has really messed things up.
     
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