VoodooShield/Cyberlock

BTW, were you prompted once or several times? Like, after you clicked Allow, was the toolbar allowed, or did it keep prompting you?

 

> feels = bumps into = senses = is aware of
VoodooShield employs machine learning & XYZ running along-side VS employs machine learning
> what happens when VoodooShield machine learning feels XYZ machine learning /\ vice versa.
> like two AV's bump, two software FW's bump,
two machine learning.... bump ?

 

Dan,

When I was prompted the toolbar was allowed until next time I opened FF, so one block per FF session. Sorry, I hope that is clearer?

Thanks,
Dave

 

OIC… there should be no issue at all, if anything, there are just more algorithms / models analyzing the file, so that is cool. For example, VoodooAi currently has 3 algorithms / models, and if you add another security product with 3 algorithms, then you have a total of 6. But additional algos only help to a certain extent… after about 3 or so, there are definitely diminishing returns, and the additional algos do not help that much.

Also keep in mind, machine learning / Ai engines do not vary in accuracy and precision quite as much as traditional blacklist engines do. That is, all Ai engines extract similar features from the file for analysis, so the results are typically quite similar from Ai engine to Ai engine. Although, I will say, out of the 3 big machine learning platforms (Azure, Amazon, and IBM Watson), there are definitely some differences, and I carefully tested each one while building VoodooAi 2.0.

 

Cool, thank you, yeah, that helps! If you get a chance, can you please send me a link to the toolbar? I have it somewhere, but it may take me a while to find .

 

The toolbar I have is included with Norton Security.

Here's a direct link to the installer - www .norton.com/latestns

 

I do not currently use VS, but I'm exploring. Just like fblais, I don't really want to read 547 pages to find a possible answer. In addition, the developer (via PM) suggested that I ask my question here.

My question is this--

What can VoodooShield do for me that Sandboxie can't? Or, in other words, why would I want/need to add VoodooShield to my security if I pretty much run everything under Sandboxie?

I've watched a couple of the videos on the Voodooshield website, but I'm not sure that I totally understand VoodooShield. Is there a video that compares it to Sandboxie, by chance?

I apologize for my ignorance, I'm just trying to learn more....

 

Yes indeed. I didn't upgrade it for ages.
No big deal Dan, I just wanted you to know.

 

Very cool... there are a lot of people that can help you with this question (as we discussed in pm) . If I think of a great way to describe the differences, I will surely post. SB is great BTW, maybe you should run both??

 

Hehehe, that is what I figured, thank you for letting me know . Ai is not perfect... as you will see in my next post, but I was seriously surprised that a common app like that registered so high. Thanks again!

 

bjm asked me about machine learning... Ai is cool, but it is not the holy grail of computer security.

I have kept quiet about this, but it is time that I speak my mind.

Do you want to know what is wrong with the security industry? It is far more concerned with IPO’s and stock prices then developing security solutions that actually work.

Case in point…

http://www.voodooshield.com/artwork/c1.png

Also, the first person who posts what is infinitely ironic about this statement will receive a lifetime license of VS . There are many ironies in this statement, so free lifetime license to whoever finds a new one first .

http://www.voodooshield.com/artwork/c2.png

Consider this a shot across the bow “next gen Ai” companies… there will be more.

A lot of more.

 

Hi Dan

A Happy New Year to you.

Thanks for sharing...very interesting observation, which I completely agree with. My day job is in the software industry (not security-related) and I believe that in many cases what you say hold true in many if not all sectors. I am sure that you would agree that there is a need to have a focus on the commercials, i.e., IPOs, stock prices, cash flow, margin, etc., but there is also a need to provide true value and cultivate customer goodwill in equal measure. The former could be argued to verge on the short term whilst the latter look to the longer term...so what is needed is a balanced approach...which in my respects is often missing.

Just my thoughts...I look forward to the "there will be more"

Regards, Baldrick

 

Soo...every legit app that I download and want to install will produce that notification?
For me, this don't make any sense!
I understand if VT 56 scan engines or Voodoo Ai or Blacklist scann or even digital sig.report that is something "fishy" but everything reports that this app is OK!

 

What is infinitely ironic about this statement is that that the first product that comes to mind is webroot and how it works I may be wrong but that is my feeling.

 

Yes it will from any users space like the Downloads folder or Desktop like you used so that's what this setting is for when you install:

 

If VS is ON, and if you plan to install software from the user-directory (and the file is not whitelisted) you'll always see a prompt for legit files ("Safe Blocked Item").

If you want less prompts, you can switch to Autopilot-Mode and if the installer is not blacklisted and clean, it is automatically allowed = No prompt.
Edit: or switch to Install Mode if you want to install programs (see the post above)

 

OK...thanks

 

Sandboxie = system protection
VS = data protection

 

Hey Baldrick, I totally agree... there are certain products and services where the profit motive should not take precedence over providing a quality product or service.

 

Interesting... I missed that, thank you! PM me the email address that you use for your VS account and I will convert it to a lifetime license.

 

How funny, and how true .

 

I want to say VS is like a more sophisticated Sandboxie that has a VT engine built into it to make smarter AI decisions.

Consider: You download something malicious with your browser under Sandboxie. This file is sandboxed in both download location and execution.
Whereas VS would download the file to your actual download location, but the execution is flagged instantly, and will tell you the VT score. From here, you can "Block/Quarantine" which will shut down all processes, "Allow" which will run the program outside sandbox, and "Sandbox" which will likely give you two options "Local/Cuckoo" (this button is basically Sandboxie, everything before it is VS features that Sandboxie does not have).

 

Whether WSA is effective or not (I happen to believe that it is)... I believe what really matters is that they did not use government or investor money to attempt to solve the unsolvable P VS NP malware problem, and they do not make promises that they cannot keep.

Malware is a at least an NP problem, and most likely at least NP Complete: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YX40hbAHx3s

PM me the email address that you use for your VS account and I will convert it to a lifetime license, thank you!

 

I did a full uninstall and a search for voodoo leftovers, then I reinstalled after reboot.
It did improve a little, this time around (I also had cleaned up some other things on my system in the mean time)
now, when something is blocked, it at least gets logged.
many times, I will even see a pop-up telling me that it was blocked, and click for more info.
but when I click, the Ai just spins endlessly.
Every installer I tried is blocked, even something common like avast free (downloaded from official site).