Probably never. When this hardware fails, next will probably be a home build frankenputer with some Linux variant. The Linux'ers are making progress faster than ever, it is becoming more intuitive, more help is available, more softwares are available for it. I have spent waaay too much time just trying to figure out how to prevent win 7 from morphing into win 10, don't want to go through something like that again.
I changed my vote today. Going with 'other' for now. I have decided to wait and see how the pampered Enterprise Users fair with their migration from W7/8 to W10. This should have been one of the voting categories. The 'when W10 is optimized on new hardware' category. 80% of the large Enterprises have said they will start the migration to W10 sometime in 2017. They will also be purchasing new hardware (Skylake and such). Large Enterprises should require at least 18-24 months to finish the migration (HW/SW, production apps testing and training). If the reports are favorable, I will consider buying a new PC in 2020 with W10 pre-installed for my prime system. If it is not a passing grade or they fall back in droves, my vote will be changed to 'never'. However, my expectation is that they are 'too large to fail'. MS will bail them out. As an aside: I have the W10/64 free upgrade (W7 to W10) installed on a desktop for the family to use so they can get used to it. Everyone was into checking it out and it got a lot of use in the first 3 months and now it is hardly touched. Only 1 family member out of 9 prefers W10. He had 8.1 on his laptop and just recently upgraded to W10. They are not members here (one was for a short time) so they do not get to vote, but all 8 said they would have chosen 'never'. Why? Forced windows updates and an OS that will always be a work in progress.
My Dell is 6 years old and doing fine so far. My WIN10 is working except that the Apps don't work, and I'm waiting for the next upgrade to hopefully fix it. I'm seriously considering Apple when the time is right just to get away from Microsoft.
@twl845 Each to their own, but in my opinion OS X is a really badly designed OS. If you want to switch from Windows, I think Linux is a much better choice.
At this point I've installed it several times but used it very little. It has nothing that would make me want to use it as a main system in the computers I currently have and the only installation I have that gets used much is a VM which I run with Ubuntu as the host.
I naturally always install the latest software, but I waiver on Win 10 mainly because of forced (and sometimes faulty) updates. And it seems to have ongoing beta flavour e.g. some settings in Control Panel, others in Settings, etc. Will have to decide before July, if they don't extend the 12 month freebie. But for now I am quite happy with 8.1 and Classic Shell. But if I do decide to go Win 10 - is it OK to just do an in-place upgrade, or is it better to go the MCT route? Should I disable any security software first?
This is pretty much how I feel also. I've installed in many times since it's release last July, and each time I get different results. It seems very inconsistent. Overall, I think there is just too much going on in Win 10, most of which I don't want or need. In some ways I like it, but given Microsoft's horrific business practices and also the direction Win 8 and 10 are taking, I have to part ways with MS at this point, and say no thanks. I'll stick with Linux from this point forward....
I will use Windows 7 until it expires. After that, I'll migrate to Linux (again). I'm using Windows 10 at work and I feel the system is incomplete, hosts of bugs and generally weird compared to Windows 7.
My computer will expire unfortunately sooner than W7 support. Then will be time for the W10, not until that. And I would have liked W9 as a version number lol.
If people over and over and over and over re-spelling the same I feel like don't know, like using Linux with amd drivers, helpless. Well, if anyone mention 'bugs' please provide what YOU have done to solve them, issue tracker ID or it never happened! The reason why there is an program called 'improvement program' is not only to leech the new builds, just share your opinion and report. So please provide the links if you found something and submitted, otherwise this is just waste of time to talk about it's like over and over complaining Linux + nVidia/AMD issue but not done something on yourself to help. The OS is for me very stable and I never got any BSOD like in the old XP days. The new security features are pretty nice, and I hope developers merging them asap. Besides the GUI blah it works well for me, but as mentioned in other threads I'm enterprise user so I not have much of the KB mess like others. I think we should take the discussion to a security ground and not complain useless without changing on your own. I guess the GUI can be 'reverted' via uxtheme patches so that it looked exactly like 7 (except the metro apps) I saw something on devianart. Of course it needs a little bit patching here and there but it's possible, there are also transforming packs, so everything is still possible. The only real problem I see (even with win) that there is no real deal protection against crypto lockers. In latest Office 2016 a patch was added to block macros, which was pretty quick I think. A little bit a shame that we need external tools to really deal with ransomware. From my experience Win 10 is not bad, it's not unstable but I do agree for Pro users it's a bit confusing + maybe risky to install every kb because the past history with it. But everything is possible, if people would more read the over-hyped data leak stuff would also get not such a massive false statement on every page. The opt-out stuff was present from the beginning, but if people to dump to see it or to handle it then they have other problems as 'spying'. The thing is that each new feature today want to collect something to improve the product this isn't new and it's not only with MS. I guess if you not like it disable it and then be okay, in my own tests I could't find something much to really complain about. Advance users like Wilders Members are also smart enough to deal with all this, so there is no reason to bash a product, just take it or say exactly what you not like or what can improved so that we or someone can pick it and work on it.
Never. Well probably never. I had to switch to Mac due to poor hardware built quality of Thinkpads. I found OS10 to work quite well for me and especially in terms of interaction with my iphone. I really loved windows but MS guys messed it up with Windows 8 and Lenovo guys messed it up with their "le novo" Thinkpads.
@ace2564 What model Thinpad did you have? I've got three Lenovo Thinkpads currently, and have used others in the past and simply cannot fault the build quality and reliability. I use my old T400 for 100 hours a week, and no doubt will contine to do so for at least a few more years. My understanding is that the T, W and X series offer the best quality, and the quality of the other cheaper series of Thinkpads is not as good. I would rate the build quality of my Thinkpads, to be as good as any Mac.
I had power button failure on X series, keyboard failure on another X series all between 12 and 18 months of purchase. Really two thinkpads in a row. Sure they were not major but were big enough to turn me off from their brand. I had no such issue with my recent macbook air which I had over 1 year now. The nail in the coffin for thinkpads was there new trackpad without dedicated buttons and their consistent approach in trying to copy apple. So I dropped the copy cat and went to the source instead.
@ace2564 It's understandable you wanting to move away from Lenovo after those problems. However, personally, I would never ditch Windows for a Mac. If I was to ditch Windows, I'd switch to Linux.
Re Win 10: Heh...probably soooonish: on at least one system, will likely have to. Not stable on test VMs yet, not loving the forced upgrades, not loving the interface...but, the new MS; live with it or leave. Win7 is good for now..stable mission critical work options. Controllable. Maybe...move across When Android gets enough oomph for work... When iOS is more than a mobile OS and can do handwriting recognition properly.. If I can convince myself Chrome has the beef...( some nice HW available ) @ ace2564: what Thinkpads are you looking at ?? All the latest gen Lenovos have the buttons and the "knob" back. Exxy, but great HW imho As per above my T460 only just died after many years. I tend to get something solid, not neccessarily flashy, and hang onto it. Regards
I switched from Windows to Linux and then to OS10. Linux was a great step in the middle for me and I found OS10 a great intermediate OS in between Linux and Windows.
Why should I spend time & efforts doing that when Microsoft clearly collects all necessary bug related data from us to find and address the problems themselves. It should be clear to them that the start menu for some people doesn't work. I googled it. If not, why are they collecting telemetry and other data to begin with. Today my start menu ceased to function (again). I am beginning to see a pattern where this usually occurs after I (well, actually the system decides) to update my computer and I restart it. To open a program I now must open Explorer-> go to Program Files folder and find the executable I want to use. A small annoyance you might say, but this tiny bug shows how unpolished Windows 10 is compared to Windows 7 that "just works".
@new2security I've been experiencing Start Menu issues too for the last few days, where if I search for anything, I just get moving blue dots at the top of the Start Menu. I I have been able to fix it temporarily by opening Task Manager and then terminating SearchUI.exe. After which, searching from the Start Menu briefly works again. However, at the moment, terminating SearchUI is no longer fixing the problem. Maybe if I reboot, it the SearchUI fix will work again. Usually when I have minor Windows 10 they do tend do get fixed in time.
Thank you Roger_m for input. I've looked for the offending searchui in the task manager but it's not active. It's simply not there, it failed starting perhaps? I also discovered that right click on the minimized windows on the windows bar doesn't trigger any response either. This makes me think it's more than searchui that's involved in the bug.
Woody Leonhard @woodyleonhard Is your Win10 system overheating? "CPU Core Parking" may not be implemented properly. http://AskWoody.com
Yep, and because exactly of such persons we get 'spying', web beacons, and tracking. People are too lazy to do such simple tasks and then the big ones starting to implement such things, otherwise no one would report anything or only a few people. Not everything is automatically OS related issue, don't forget that, to implement an telemetry option makes less sense if it's maybe other software which cause this. And it should be opt-in and not by default on, also external software mostly add an opt-in debug/logging feature and this is the correct way.
I have changed my vote from "Within 12 months of release" to "Never". I will probably start using it when I buy a new PC in about 5 years. The free upgrade ain't worth it, and the tracking stuff has turned me off.
