The unofficial Shadow Defender Support Thread.

Discussion in 'sandboxing & virtualization' started by Cutting_Edgetech, Feb 14, 2011.

  1. Cutting_Edgetech

    Cutting_Edgetech Registered Member

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    It sounds like it could be a Sandboxie issue as well.
     
  2. Cutting_Edgetech

    Cutting_Edgetech Registered Member

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    I have a test machine to test malware with, but I do also use that machine for testing software. I also roll my disk back with Shadow Protect.
     
  3. bo elam

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    Yes, it is a conflict between the three programs. But for it to happen, you have to allow and exclude prefs.js at the same time in SBIE and Shadow defender. I don't normally do that and I dont believe many users do either. To me personally, this is not a big deal, minor issue.:)

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  4. bjm_

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    FWIW ~ along with your advice. Tony offered me suggests for Sandboxie that did not sort.
    Then Tony asked me to test without Sandboxie.
    I tested without Sandboxie and unfortunately experienced similar random corruption.
    By Exclude or Commit I could not derive an iteration that I could trust to consistently recover Firefox from Shadow. Even with no Exclude nor Commit. Firefox cookies (as easy to confirm) did not survive unscathed.
    That was my intro to Places Maintenance and FaviconReloader.
    One time my Customize was scrambled back to some variation of default. PITA.
    Tony offered Firefox has to "close n' release" and that seemed to create a need for some unknown time wait for release with unknown close Firefox and exit shadow iteration that I failed to determine.
    As I wrote earlier. I'll stipulate most+++ users have no issues.
    I figured I would simply limit SD use for testing.
    But, since I had to restore FF profile each time. SD use became not worth the effort.
    Thanks
     
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  5. bo elam

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    Thats one test I didn't do when we were looking at your corrupted Firefox profile issue. So, maybe, Sandboxie is not required in the mix to get the problem.:)

    Bo
     
  6. Peter2150

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    Interesting. I don't allow any changes out of the sandbox. And I make sure browsers and SbIE are shut down prior to exiting shadowmode, and I've never seen an issue.
     
  7. bo elam

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    In my case use, the only change I allow out of the sandbox and exclude for any program is Firefox bookmarks (places.sqlite), never an issue with doing that. I think allowing out too many things defeat the purpose of using this kind of programs and can create conflicts and issues, like bjms Firefox profile corruption. That was a really nasty case.

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  8. bjm_

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    What indicator satisfies Firefox has released memory. Tony (as I recall) offered possible explain for my corrupt was that Firefox and/or an extension were hanging in memory.
     
  9. Cutting_Edgetech

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    I think the best thing to do is to start a thread over at Mozilla Firefox forum, and explain what is happening. Ask them if there are any other files other than places.sqlite that should be excluded from virtualization to ensure your bookmarks, etc. are saved. If I have time I will do it myself. Does the same issue cause Firefox settings to revert back to default? What effect does it have on your add-ons?
     
  10. bo elam

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    For bookmarks, places.sqlite is it. Firefox also saves history in that file. prefs.js, the file that I was talking about earlier is the file were many Firefox settings, including changes in about:config, are saved. Also, many addons save their settings there. For me, it is useful to have a sandbox were I allow changes to that file because it allows me to change many things in the browser without having to do it unsandboxed. But for my everyday browsing sandbox, I rather not apply the setting. And in shadow mode, for me, excluding places.sqlite is all I really want or need.

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  11. Cutting_Edgetech

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    I stopped relying on places.sqlite to save my bookmarks a year ago. Firefox failed to restore my bookmarks a few times when using places.sqlite to restore them. I had been saving copies of places.sqlite for years to backup my bookmarks, and all of a sudden out of the blue places.sqlite began to fail to restore my bookmarks. I started using the backup bookmarks feature built into Firefox after that. I don't know if it does anything different than save data contained in the places.sqlite file, or not.

    The weird thing i'm seeing about the bugs reported here at the forum is how certain bugs seem to be affecting some users, but not other users with the same setup. I myself used an exclusion for places.sqlite for many years with SD, and I only experienced corrupted bookmarks twice that I can remember. That was 7-8 years ago. I think Firefox was at fault though. If I find time I will see if Mozilla can help pin point the exact cause of the corrupted bookmarks, and profile data.
     
  12. ichito

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    Sorry guys but the "bookmarks issue" is a bit artificially created...why to do so "sophisticate" things instead using simple solution? Just store bookmarks on the other than system disk and do automatic backup...one of method is described below
    http://www.askvg.com/the-best-method-to-backup-your-firefox-bookmarks/
    I've had some time ago similar situation with settings of SSM which had been placed and saved on other disk...it just worked without "exclusion...exclusion of inclusion...exclusion of exclusion" or whatever we can think.
     
  13. Overkill

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    When the bookmark corruption happened I wasn't using sbie.
     
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    Done!
     
  15. sdmod

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    I have to say sometimes I am amazed at this program. I shadowed all three of my disks last night, and then opened my vm which is VMware workstation 12. I tried a Win 7x64 machine, which has 2.6gb of Ram and two 100gb hard drives. Some big files. SD handled it no problem and left the machine unchanged. Awesome.

    Pete
     
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    Um, is there a clue as to "member problem" we're testing .....
     
  18. sdmod

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    As you probably know there is The Official Shadow Defender Forum and I look at posts there and here. If I find anything that seems to me to point to a significant problem or a bug that looks legitimate, I contact Tony and I will often post primarily to my own forum but sometimes here too. I do this as an acknowledgement to the interest that is shown on Wilders for Shadow Defender even though that does not always feed into my own forum.
    This release is just a test release and although it does reply and address one particular issue, it may address other issues as Tony has been looking at some of the things that I sent him from here too.
    The email to me specifically addresses the issue here but is probably addressing other issues too.

    Patrick Admin The Official Shadow Defender Forum


     
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  19. bjm_

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    Okay, Thanks!
     
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    Testing it right away! Thank you.
     
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    SD1.4.0.604_Setup_Test installed. After 5 restarts in a row it's working as expected, so far.

    Thank you both guys Tony and Patrick.
     
  22. huntnyc

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    Thanks Patrick and Tony. Test release does not work for me. Still same problems I posted earlier in this thread. Went back to 519 and no problems I could tell.
     
  23. sdmod

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    huntynyc If you mean post #4201 and later, I will send Tony another email about it and post here if I receive a response.

    Patrick

     
  24. huntnyc

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    Patrick,
    Yes, that is the reference of what ocntinues to happen even with the test version. thanks much. Would love to update if this gets sorted out. Thanks again.
     
  25. sdmod

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    I've sent the email to Tony showing your posts from the thread. I have emailed him before about the same thing but I don't think that it was resolved.

    Patrick


     
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