360 Internet Security: FREE Triple antivirus engine, BitDefender included

I noticed that Q360TSE updates the Avira and Bitdefender engine once a day. What the heck? Previosuly with Q360IS, the BD engine updated min 3x/day. Please ask them to increase the no of updates.

 

We are not his users. He is not part of Qihoo as he will openly admit.

 

He sounds like he's the owner or developer as he responds to any questions I have, and confirms if a suggestion we made will be implemented or not. I'm confused

 

Create a removal tool for Q360. All antivirus company on the market have a removal tool.

 

Yes it's called uninstall. I have yet to find an anti virus program that didn't just uninstall when you use the uninstall programs from Windows or try Revo Uninstaller.

 

Well its to remove any trace of Q360 as some antivirus like Kaspersky is particluarly picky if there is a previous AV on the machine.

 

Yes, it can be difficult with this company.

https://www.techinasia.com/qihoo-committing-fraud-google-making-huge-mistake/

• Making uninstalling the anti-virus software difficult.
• [Faking] incompatibility to prevent the installation of competitors’ software.
• Giving users of non-Qihoo browsers security warnings suggesting their browsers are unsafe.
• Using default settings to trick users into installing the 360 Browser along with Qihoo’s security software.
• Using forced upgrades to change users’ browser and homepage preferences.
• Tricking users into thinking the 360 Browser download is an official patch from Microsoft.

 

IMHO, instead of asking for disabling feature, I would prefer to ask them to work on the Qihoo's engine. Disabling the engine is just a temporary solution and I think Qihoo's heuristic is a bit over-sensitive.

 

First, I was a Q360IS user and now a Q360TSE user for almost a year.

1. I never have problem uninstalling. As long as you disable self defense, disable real time, exit, uninstall.. I think that applies for all AV. I do that for all AV which I want to uninstall.. Disable self defense, disable real time, exit
2. Never have that issue [Faking] incompatibility to prevent the installation of competitors’ software. I installed WSA perfectly fine with Q360IS running.
3. Also never have that issue. Q360 never prompt me to install their browser or any pop up promoting their product unlike avast.
4. Also never have that issue. Have you tried installing Q360 before? Not once in their installation did they promote their browser. Also, so far (almost a year) Q360 have never asked me to installed 360 Browser nor have I found 360 browser to be automatically installed on my PC. None of my friends received such prompt or have 360 browser installed automatically for them.
5. Again, my homepage remains as Google throughout this whole 1 year with 360. My homepage did not automatically change. Same with my friends.
6. Did not received such notification.

So I wonder where does techasia gets such misleding info? Well in China, that might be different as over there, dog-eats-dog. Kill or be killed. I cannot vouch how does 360 operates in China. Bt as far as I am concern, there is no usch nonsense in the international version. If such thing were to occur, I will not hesistate to give Q360 the boot.

 

Ok, great. Glad you have had success with the product.

You should ask China’s State Administration for Industry and Commerce (SAIC) where they came up with this stuff.

And ask New York-based Digital Due Diligence where they got their info.

Maybe it's a giant international anti-Qihoo conspiracy. I dunno.

 

The best evidence for myself is to try it myself and inspect what it really does to my system rather than to hear those anti-Qihoo comments.

 

I think it only applies to the China market only. Not the international one. Cause look at it this way, Q360 wants to expand internationally. If they do that, do you think they will succeed internationally? There will be a backlash from the users. Users will dump their product. Like how many dump avast after they start promosing new rechnologies but never delivered on their word, started including PUPs in their product. Maybe 5 years later Q360 will do that if they have a strong international prescence.

 

Oh, ok, you may be right. I guess it's ok if they only do this to the China market only.(1)

That last one is a particularly nasty trick Qihoo pulled this past August. Through its “360 Defender” security software, it send users what claimed to be a Microsoft Internet Explorer update patch titled KB360018 that professed to fix “an extremely dangerous security leak.” Users who accepted the patch were then forced to install Qihoo’s 360 Browser.​

Chinese netizens have long raised concerns about Qihoo’s practices with its desktop apps, notably the way that installing one of its apps often leads to a user being forced or coerced into installing others. Last year, researchers uncovered nine dastardly tricks that Qihoo’s web browser was using to exploit its users, including blocking the installation of some rival browser apps on Windows.​

But its tactics in forcing the 360 browser upon people are unacceptable, and render it something closer to malware or spyware. It looks to be exploiting the country’s not-too-savvy web users, infringing on their privacy, and even hijacking their choice of browsers. ​

Yeah, I know what you mean. The Chinese courts keep saying anti-Qihoo things. The Chinese courts even tried to publicly shame Qihoo.

Qihoo has lost repeatedly in Chinese courts against its big rivals Baidu and Tencent over the past few years..

Qihoo — widely considered one of the least honorable companies in China’s tech sector..

In an interesting twist, the court also ordered Qihoo to post an apology on its website, and to publish prominent ads in other media outlets for 15 consecutive days. Perhaps the court realizes that its punitive fines will have little if any effect at discouraging future similar behavior by companies like Qihoo, which have a reputation for their aggressive and sometimes questionable business tactics.
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https://www.techinasia.com/qihoo-sued-for-monopoly-abuse/

http://www.nbd.com.cn/features/273?preview=true

http://www.youngchinabiz.com/en/tencent-wins-moral-victory-over-qihoo/



All these anti-Qihoo statements from the many parties making them should stop. Quit picking on Qihoo. I demand it!

-Frank






(1) This is sarcasm. The Chinese people should not be subjected to internet abuse.

 

If you persuade them to make impossible: zero false positives...

From my experience 360TS accuses too many innocent files with HEUR.etc. Maybe they should reduce sensitivity of they heuristics?

 

You studied the case thoroughly. I ain't any arguing with you. Can you say is it safe to use 360TS/TSE for international user (not Chinese)? How it can harm me if I use 360TS/TSE or any Qihu product? I'm not going to argue, blame or protect etc. Thank you.

 

Great questions. Those are the exact questions every Qihoo user should be asking themselves.

So... Qihoo is a dirty corrupt unscrupulous business. Courts and independent entities have established this.

With other options available, that alone is enough to dissuade me from using the product.

But, in all fairness... how many companies that are legit now have history where they too were corrupt at one time? The answer is many.

Qihoo is now listed on non-Chinese stock exchanges (which brings a level of scrutiny) and Qihoo has been whacked by the courts many times.. which often leads companies to clean themselves up.

Ultimately, the answer is --- I don't know.

I would choose a different free option and see how things go with Qihoo going forward.




-Frank


(This is about as diplomatic as I can be about Qihoo)

 

Thank you.

 

The list Frank posted is why I wouldn't let a third party install Windows updates for me. You never know what they are installing or what they are hiding. This is why I chose IS/TSE over TS but I may return to Bitdefender free or even Microsoft. I wouldn't touch Avast with a bargepole given that in the past it has notoriously bad trojan detection, has released bad updates that class everything as a virus and in recent tests scored over 120 false positives in AV Comparatives testing. Might actually go with Avira or do they still do that rubbish of popping up an ad with every update :-/

 

That is an old issue that I and other users have raised many times, but it's never been solved. Actually with Avira engine is even worse than it looks, because, dispite what the interface says, the signatures are updated just once per week.

 

Still 2 hours to deadline, so far the status of mailpack #1 is:

F I N A L

The following users have been credited with these questions, the list will be updated when the deadline has been reached in this post.

Endgame: 20:00 GMT+1

Spoiler: Mailpack #1

Solarlynx:

So my wish is 360TS to work fully under Standard User Account:
- Its sandbox works only under Admin Account
- Virus Scan - Full Scan misses "System Settings" if you are in SUA
- When I'm in SUA and I want to tune its full settings I have to restart 360TS as Admin. It would be nice if 360TS

settings were available without restarting 360TS as Admin.

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Mortal Raptor:

Suggestions to make it a perfect product:

1) Display system hidden files when whitelisting regardless of the Folder Options setting that a user has in Control

Panel/Folder Options. This is a security product after all and should show every file on one's system when trying to

whitelist / add to exclusions

2) Don't for the installation of the Firefox Add-On, make it optional, because now even if I have it disabled, it's still

there in the list of my add-ons which I don't weant. All I want is a lean and clean and a good antivirus.

3) Please keep up what you are doing as in, no ads, no PUPs, etc. You have the only AV right now along with Bitdefender

FREE (but that's a very limited AV) so you can easily claim the award of best free AV in the world. and your AV

Comparatives / AV-TEST results only prove how good 360 is in both detections and lightness

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LunarWolf:

I would like the following

1. Have options to selct max heuristics like in QIS or ESET (advanced heuristics)
2. Reduce the FP. Files like Double Driver backup in the form of .exe gets flag, Files encrypted with Axcrypt in the form

.exe also gets flag
3. Have the rotating icon so that I know it is attempting an update.
4. Ask them to start detecting PUP.
5. Ability to submit samples for analysis be it FP or suspected through the GUI. Right now, the GUI will open the website

to submit.
6. Clipboard protection against clipboard logging or something like Kaspersky safemoney. I don't get what is qihoo trying

to do by notifying one that they are entering a shopping site but does not provide any kind of protection.
7. Increase the number of updates of Avira and BD engine to min 3x/day. The old Q360IS updates the BD engine min 3x/day.
8. Create a removal tool for Q360.
9. Don't copy Baidu. Colour, right click icon in tray menu, Lighting icon and their website looks like Baidu.

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siketa:

Can we disable Qihoo's engines? Especially that one responsible for lots of FPs?

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LunarWolf:

I noticed that Q360TSE updates the Avira and Bitdefender engine once a day. What the heck? Previosuly with Q360IS, the BD

engine updated min 3x/day. Please ask them to increase the no of updates.

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Solarlynx:

If you persuade them to make impossible: zero false positives...

From my experience 360TS accuses too many innocent files with HEUR.etc. Maybe they should reduce sensitivity of they

heuristics?

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I urge others to participate. Express your desires, wishes, compliments and complaints. Now is the time to voice your opinion.

 

I think if one is scared of China products, just stick with the international version. Less risky compare to using the chinese version. Although many of my friends used the Chinese version because they can read chinese, they did not tell me anything bad about 360. Then again, they are just student. In fact, they told me "you should change to 360" Protection is superb.

 

That makes absolutely no sense. The international version is still made in China by the same people who make the Chinese version. The only reason I trust Qihoo more than Comodo (which isn't saying much) is because atleast Qihoo doesn't change your DNS settings to make all your queries go to their servers nor do they provide a program that intercepts all https traffic meaning they can read everything.

 

360 Safe Browser is deliberately difficult and confusing to uninstall. The ‘Change to IE9’ option in the uninstall dialog box actually just reinstalls the 360 browser and makes it the default. That’s some super-sized shysterism. After uninstallation, there are instances of some users finding it hard to get on the internet again and finding that their web settings have been changed.​

https://www.techinasia.com/360-safe-browser-malware/

Concerns about Qihoo increased last fall when Wan Tao, a well-known former hacker who now leads a nonprofit called IDF Lab that monitors Internet threats, investigated Qihoo. Specifically, IDF spent about two weeks studying the 360 security browser's v5.0.8.7 version, and on Nov. 26, 2012, Wan and his team published a report on 360, documenting a hidden backdoor of the software. The IDF report alleged that "through its application, 360 security Internet browser has downloaded DLL files from 360 servers and applied them without user knowledge, providing no clear file application and usage explanation."

Concerns about privacy with Qihoo products led Apple Inc. (Nasdaq:AAPL) earlier this year to remove Qihoo apps from its App Store, including core products such as 360 Mobile Phone Guard and its Internet browser, according to Qihoo critics.​

http://www.ibtimes.com/privacy-issu...des-free-antivirus-software-are-becoming-more



I personally hope that Qihoo opens up a bank. I'll deposit all of my money there.


Regards,

-Frank

 

Have some questions regarding TS SE. I have also notice that updates are much less frequent, mine hasn't updated in 3 days. Does it update at a set time... or roughly every 24 hours. It needs a function to update immediately if it is overdue.
Also, I note that when Protection mode is set to Balanced (which is default), neither Avira engine or Bitdefender engines are on. So what is providing active protection? Obviously I can increase the Protection mode to Security, but curious regarding the settings
Thanks.

 

Balanced is to use Qihoo engines in realtime and on demand scan. BD and AV engines are used for on demand scan.
Security is maximum security setting, which uses all engines in realtime and on demand.