Introducing AX64 Time Machine - hybrid imaging/snapshot software

Discussion in 'backup, imaging & disk mgmt' started by Isso, Jan 18, 2013.

  1. MerleOne

    MerleOne Registered Member

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    Maybe a typo. Anyway, build 528 (V2) is working again and since there is no gain using another build to recover the chain... That would be nice is TM V2 developer could come up with a tool that could fix that !
     
  2. JohnBurns

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    You are correct - I just can't type. It should have been 548 not 248. Sorry!
     
  3. JohnBurns

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    Sorry my error - should have been 548 not 248.
     
  4. MerleOne

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    Then I think I have downloaded it already. Thanks.
     
  5. TheRollbackFrog

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    Just remember... Build #548 is a BETA and has a brand new HOT restore feature (in fact it's the DEFAULT LIVE restore method in that release). There have been some new reports of HOT restore successes and some new reports of hard HOT restore failures with this version... pls be aware.
     
  6. MerleOne

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    Hi,
    No worries, I just would like TM V2 developers to come up with a tool that can "rebuild" the backup chain so that one can restart from that point. I had to ditch 200 GB of backups starting from one month ago. Too bad.
     
  7. Peter2150

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    Don't ditch them. They are still good, just set them aside and start a new one.
     
  8. MerleOne

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    I wish I could but I needed some space on my backup HDD... Thanks.
     
  9. Peter2150

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    Okay, I've been testing the heck out of Build 548 and thought it time to publish results.

    I initially put 548 on my new lenovo laptop and it looked good. I put in on my no 1 desktop and started with it but got cold feet and went back to the released version. But the hot restore intrigued me, so I put 548 back on the desktop and beat the heck out of it.

    I had 3 points of testing:

    1. Reliability
    2. Interaction with and the effects of Raxco Instant Recovery
    3. Raxco's Perfect Disk. This was crucial to me

    Before going into details of some of the test. But first a summary of the results.

    1. Hot restores. Did several a day for the last few weeks. 100% success.
    2. Full Image restores, from the boot manager recovery environment. 100% Success
    3. Full Image restores, from the Windows GUI advanced menu. 100% Failure
    4. Bare metal restore. 1st attempt marginal , 2nd attempt success

    Okay first for those who may not know IR, uses a secondary snapshot, and that increases the space on the c: drive by almost 50%
    Secondly I call and incremental chain from baseline to end or something that may interrupt it, like in my test case I did a complete perfect disk defrag including the off line defrag
    so in my test case a had a chain of incrementals that covered the off line defrag.

    My initial tests where just Hot restores within an incremental chain. Then I did a full PD defrag. After seeeing the sucess I actually left IR installed, kept my archives but removed the secondary. Made all imaging faster. Back when I initally tried V2, I imaged the machine when I had full IR on, but it was a special setup and a separate TM chain. The system had two full Perfect Disk defrag since then. Using the boot menu recovery environment I did the full image restore. Worked perfectly. I was able to boot between snapshot just fine. Then I did another Boot menu full image restores back to current time. Worked perfectly.

    Then I repeated the restore back to the special image, no problem. This time I booted back to my main chain, but this time, I restored to a point before the defrag in that chain. Success. Then I moved about the chain, with Hot Restores, again total success. Then I decided to try restoring to current time, crossing the defrag. I picked a full image restore from the advanced Windows GUI, but across the PD full defrag. It was a total failure. System wouldn't boot. Tried booting to the Recovery CD. Restored failed. It was Macrium to the rescue.

    Then I wanted to know if the failure was because of Perfect Disk. So once I got the system, up and verified I could do a hot restore, I tried another Windows GUI full image restore. Failed. Thought this time I was able to restore from the boot menu recovery. Tried twice with same results.

    Then for the Bare Metal restore test, I went to VM. I installed TM v2 548, then wiped the drive, and zero'd it out. Booted to RE CD and did a restore. It went all the way to the end and then gave me a restore failure. I literally just repeated the restore, and sucess. Next day I repeated the test, and success.

    So far now all is good. Wonder why Froggie and I see such different results.

    Again just remember this is beta. Have a fall back plan.

    Pete
     
  10. TheRollbackFrog

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    Pete, thanks very much for the extensive testing... it's arduous but very helpful!
    I haven't got a clue, but this from AX64 support on 29Nov...

    Hi Froggie,

    We’ve reproduced the fault and know the cause. We have a few ways to solve this – we’re working on it now.

    Thanks mate.

    Regards,

    My very strict sentiments exactly.
     
  11. Chamlin

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    Pete, Froggie, just want to say how grateful I am for all the testing, reporting, explaining, guiding you guys do here. Has made the process of hanging in with AX64 doable, as well as resulted in many other software and system improvements. Grateful for all who contribute.
    Chamlin
     
  12. Peter2150

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    Thanks Chamlin.
     
  13. TheRollbackFrog

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    Thanks Chamlin! I think Pete, I and others are just glad we can contribute in a positive way.

    Pete and I are lucky enough to have bullet proof systems that allow us to demolish them occasionally in the name of "testing and improvement" :'( If I didn't have a decent mgmt plan for those systems, I'd be a screamin' demon upon most of the major failures I've seen. Not to beat a dead horse here but the "learning" came in the early days of Rollback RX, mostly with colleague's systems rather than my own. I did learn, though... in spades. :ninja:
     
  14. Peter2150

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    My system isn't bullet proof, but the backup programs are, although I've had a few horror stories. Like when I was beta testing Shadowprotect, and during restore I always deleted the volume I was restoring, one bug in the RE, caused that beta to delete all the volumes it could see, including the one containing the images. Few sleepless nights on that one, and an amazing recovery due to the talent at storagecraft.

    You can't take the warning about beta's too lightly. It's real.

    Pete
     
  15. Chamlin

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    Damn! I thought beta meant they were much "beta" than the last version. :D
     
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    Hmm, I wonder, how alpha testing would be?
     
  17. Peter2150

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    I've done it. You basically have to assume much is broken, because usually it is. Also need a top draw backup plan.

    Most vendors won't let you test an alpha unless they really know you.
     
  18. Chamlin

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    Big Help Needed. How is this possibleo_O (This IS an AX64 question.)
    After months of working to try to resolve 3 problems in my system, it was fixed, then backed up with both AX64 and Macrium.

    3 Major Issues:
    1. Firefox profile not working right;
    2. Home workgroup network problem;
    3. Way too long a boot up on my SSD.

    1. Recreated the FF profile. A lot of work. Resolved. Still works fine.
    2. After weeks of trying to resolve, found out that Emsisoft Internet Security had a glitch and was interfering. Emsi knew of it. I found a temporary workaround.
    3. Guys at Seven Forums have been helping me resolve why my SSD is taking over 1.5 minutes to boot. Tracer experts reading my traces to see what's causing this. THEN...
    • My system hiccups, says my F: drive is bad, and I notice my pagefile.sys file has reverted from the F: drive to the C: drive without me doing anything.
    • I ran tests on the F: drive. No problem on it.
    • So NOT TO WORRY, I have AX64 to rescue me. I boot back a few days and this happens:
      1. The pagefile.sys is back on the F: drive (how is that possibleo_O it wasn't backed upo_O) Was it not really gone?
      2. My system booted up much faster (50 seconds). The long delay of a blank desktop before icons showed up disappeared. YES!
    I was so stoked. Did AX64 and Macrium Backups.

    Next: On December 31st, Emsi delivered an update which included a fix for the network issue. I didn't reboot until this morning (January 2nd) to finalize that update. But upon rebooting, my system has reverted to the very long boot up issue.

    So: I ran AX64 to restore back to when the system was working great with faster boot up. But the long boot is still there.

    Calling all detectives:
    • If AX64 backed up the system when it was working properly with fast boot, why did the restore not get that back?
    • Any ideaso_O
    • I'm going to do a Macrium restore to see if that changes anything right now and will report back.
     
  19. Peter2150

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    Hi Chamlin

    Couple of things.

    1. Firefox

    Go to this link. It will tell you how to find your profile folder. Save a copy of it off the c: drive. Then even with a clean FF install you can replace the current profile folder with the one you saved and you have firefox back.

    https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/k..._finding-your-profile-without-opening-firefox

    2. The pagefile behavior with AX64 was as expected.

    In Macrium when you image even though it doesn't store the pagefile, it stores a place holder, so when you restore it seems as though the pagefile was put back on the disk where it was.
    AX64 ignores the pagefile completely, so when you restore there isn't anything in the restore about the pagefile, so when you reboot Windows automatically creates one of course in the default locations.

    What I would suggest, is restore the Macrium Image And see where the system stands. For the next I will probably have stones thown at me, but. I would move the pagefile back to the c: drive. The reasons for not having it there, are probably SSD related, and to me(ducking) if there is anything I can't do because I have an SSD, I shouldn't have one.

    I would uninstall AX64, get the machine right, besure you have the latest EIS, and then reinstall TMv2 and start new backup chains.

    Pete
     
  20. Peter2150

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    Further test results.

    First so far, on this desktop 548 beta continues to serve me well. Got curious this morning.

    so I took an incremental, Did a regular PD defrag(no boot time), and then took another incremental. Then I did a hot restore back to the one prior to defrag. Now normally on a hot restore, I will get a slow count up to 8 %, and then it speeds up, slows at 50 and then races on to 100% and reboots.

    On this restore back to the point before the defrag, it did a much slower count up to 10%, and I glanced away, and the system was rebooting. I thought bad, but I let the reboot continue.
    System came up normally and seemed okay. I ran chkdsk just to be sure, and it was fine. So then I did another hot restore back to the current point in time. This was more what I expected. A slow count all the way to 100%. Might as well have been a full image restore. I then set the chain aside and started a new one

    so conclusions.

    1. After any defrag, it might be wise to boot to the RE, and do a full image.
    2. Also might be wise to set the chain aside and start a new one. You can still access the old chain, by doing a full image restore.

    Might seem a pain to do the full image restores, but that is infact what we'd have to do with any full imaging anyway.

    Pete
     
  21. Chamlin

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    Thanks, Pete. I use 2 dedicated FF backup programs. Problem on that one was that my places.sqlite file was corrupted so I had to create a new profile, then resurrect all my extensions, preferences, etc.

    Thanks for the clarity on this. Restored the Macrium image. No change (included MBR as well.) Then, on a lark, or naivety, I used Macrium to restore the F: drive which I backed up right after the system "fixed" itself. No change.

    We'll have no one getting stone here on this forum, young man! :argh:

    I moved it to the F: drive because it was around 16 GB and left my 167 GB SSD drive with only around 20 GB left available. Kept getting warnings. Here are a few TREE images showing the biggest hogs:
    Maybe I should move it back to the c: drive, but the boot up time was just as long with the pagefile.sys on the C: drive, so is there any harm in having it on the F: drive?

    Emsi is fully updated and functioning. Wish I could get the machine right. I lost my chance at running a trace when it was booting fast (holiday obligations got in the way.) So upset about that. Might have given a clue as to what the conflict is. :(
     
  22. Chamlin

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    We'll have to ask Alf!
     
  23. Peter2150

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    In theory no. But I just like to keep things simple. I guessed that was the reason. It's one of the reason, I didn't get SSD's on my new systems. For what a 256Gb SSD would cost, I got two 1tb hdds. Boot might not be as fast, but that doesn't cause me any issue.

    Pete
     
  24. TheRollbackFrog

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    Chamlin, I'm not sure how much RAM you have on that system, but if you think you're running well within its limits and maybe only occasionally going over your installed RAM, that PageFile can be reduced to any size you wish. All you might need is what your overages might be if they even occur at all.

    With 8gB of RAM on my system, I never see a need to have much of a PageFile... in fact, I've had it turned off for about a month without issue. You can size it way down and if your system complains about needed RAM, you can up it in 1/4gB increments until the system settles down.
     
  25. Peter2150

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    Only exception to that Froggie is a case like I had, where I needed to get full memory dumps. Then the page file has to be at least the size of the ram you have. Glad that episode is behind me. The uploads were a killer, even compressed.
     
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