Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

Mint really is less secure than Ubuntu. But that wasn't on the table since we were talking about stability in general.

And I can confirm that a Kernel upgrade broke my 12.04 install, but it must have been right after it was released.

I'm not badmouthing, I'm telling my experiences with honesty.

Well, the default installation is secure. I remember a Hacker Fare here in Brazil (São Paulo) that only Ubuntu stayed up and didn't get invaded. But it was just sitting there, alone. The whole scenario changes when you add a user, but still it is a safe distro if the user don't run "britneyspearsnaked.deb" or something like that, or don't install java, etc.

 

And there you have it. I've found Debian to be the only thing that works flawlessly in all regards, and Ubuntu (at least 13.10) to be the buggiest PoS of them all. LOl......

Edit: I will admit though, that Ubuntu LTS is usually pretty clean...

 

I don't understand why the people complaining about Ubuntu don't move over to Linux Mint, or Debian testing\stable.

 

I think they do, or have, if they're not satisfied. My experience with Ubuntu thru the years was pretty good, until just recently in the 13.x releases. I'll give it another try next month when it comes out. I try to keep an open mind about it, but 13.x was bad for me...

 

Debian is now more picky with network devices as even my Intel Wifi card won't work from a clean install any-more as the firmware is not open according to Debian's rules.
There are instructions of how to add the firmware during installation at https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware and also there are unofficial installation ISO with the non-free firmware added.

 

Wow, I hope Valve has more sense and bundles said firmware in a future SteamOS version. There's an unsatisfactory large list of devices there that aren't supported.

 

Could you explain this? I'm quite new to Linux.
From what I understood, the problem is that you have to enable level 4 and 5 updates yourself to receive critical patches and the firewall is disabled by default.

 

They are supported, only that it's not included in the default install because it goes against the "free philosophy"

Makes it difficult installing on a new system of course if you don't know the driver you need before hand..

 

My wording was bad, sorry. I wonder what it is they do in their WiFi chips that is preventing a single generic WiFi driver being created that runs on everything. I wouldn't have thought WiFi chips to be very complex, it's not like it's a GPU.

 

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTUxNzY

 

Really? That Canonical mind fart on Phoronix again?
As written in the comments;

All Mint users are free, to enable all level 4 and 5 updates at any time, as they have been for years and years (at least since I started with Daryna).
Putting kernel updates 2 mouse clicks away, can hardly be considered as 'forcefully blocking'.
And mentioning that Firefox bugs can endanger Mint users for months, is pretty vile scare-mongering when obviously not true.
Stating that online banking with Mint is ill-advised, that ought to be Canonical unworthy.
Again, scare-mongering.

Ubuntu with AppArmor is more 'secure' from a specific perspective but Ubuntu shouldn't project their frustrations on a derivative of their derivative and start trash talking a competitor. It lacks style.

Edit.
Regarding my sympathy for either Ubuntu or Mint, I've used them both in the past and am thankful for devs on either side but am a Fedora user some years now.
LMDE seems interesting imo, a derivative straight from Debian. Sounds familiar

 

You're not talking about out-of-the-box anoymore, so that's no point in arguing in this subject.

So they can be enabled, yet are not enabled by default. Yeah, makes as much sense as installing an AV in Windows and not enabling it The newbs must feel so protected.

It does look a great distro. Better than regular Mint IMO, when you consider I'm a paranoid.

 

Thanks for the replies

 

You changed the subject by linking to the Canonical trash talk, so it is to the point if you want to debate Linux Mint being 'really less secure' (your wording).

Mmm, you can do better than bringing in 'AV on Windows'. Afaik, you are better versed reg. linux than I am.

I'm looking forward to it, previous installs weren't always stellar but it's improving fast. And about the latter, most here are, we only have different postions scale-wise.

 

The non-free live CD works ok for a simple install on a laptop client (iwlwifi firmware, Thinkpad X200s). See

http://sohcahtoa.org.uk/pages/wheezy.html

Using the stock official Debian DVD-1 installer, you can install without a functioning network connection, then after first boot either jack into a wired connection or use a USB wifi dongle with free drivers (I keep a Netgear WG111v3 stick in the bag) and then update and install the firmware.

When installing without a network connection, you need to

1) Allow the network detection step to fail and then select "Configure network later"

2) Decline the repository detection step

3) After first boot into new system, go to the Debian sources.list generator and generate an appropriate repository file and then from root nano /etc/apt/sources.list and paste it in, and comment out the DVD line

4) Do the apt-get update/upgrade thing

All fine and stable

 

And you're actually saying it isn't? Than there's actually no point in debating this any longer. We're gonna be stuck forever saying that it is and that it isn't. Just make a simple survey and realise how many of Mint's users actually harden their system, and the same survey asking how many Mint users use the default config.

And you also can't understand a simple comparison example. Um, I wonder why I wasted so much time here.