Does this look familiar?

Discussion in 'FirstDefense-ISR Forum' started by KaneComputing, Dec 11, 2013.

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  1. ZeroBits

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    Weird, vmware is the only place I've tested it so far and it worked great. Running Vmware 10 on a cloned physical image of Windows 8.1
     
  2. aladdin

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    Dear ZeroBits,

    Thanks for the above information. It was Avast blocking it as false positive. Even when I disabled the Avast Shields during install, it failed to install. Had to uninstall Avast and then it installed fine.

    Best regards,

    Mohamed
     
  3. EASTER

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    ~lurking this thread for potential or false alarm~

    Apparently Todd will not be chiming in to this Raxco IR on these forums which seem strange given First Defense Sub-Forum was assigned just for their product.

    Maybe Peter2150 could elaborate more to this?

    EASTER
     
  4. Peter2150

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    I was originally told he might, but apparently that may not be the case. I suspect they want all support channeled thru Raxco.

    Pete
     
  5. ZeroBits

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    Answer from Raxco as follows:

    "Yes, a Renewal Notice will be emailed to you before your maintenance expires so you have the opportunity to renew.

    The discount newyear14 is valid through Monday January 6th."
     
  6. Acadia

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    Thanks for that, Zerobits.

    On my end, I finally heard from Raxco TechSupport, evidently they keep only normal business hours. They sent me a link to the trial download.

    Acadia
     
  7. pratzert

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    How much is the discount using that code ?

    And did you find anywhere how many machines each license is good for ?

    PC and a laptiop perhaps ? (One to three machines, or just one machine per license ?)

    Thanks.
     
  8. innerpeace

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    Thank you ZeroBits :thumb:

    Now, is it worth giving up my SSD just to have room for snapshots :doubt:
     
  9. ZeroBits

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    I believe it ends up being just under $50

    Not sure on this, but I believe it is one license/machine.
     
  10. ZeroBits

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    No problem, I've wanted to answer the second half of your question as well, but needed to test first. I'm on an ssd on my notebook. I use approximately 20gb on my os partition. It was doubled when I made the snapshot. Additionally, if I remember correct from old fdisr reading, only archives go to secondary storage. If I am wrong I hope someone can correct me. In talking with other forum members an image can store the current os and snapshot. It's a lot of data, but supposedly it's ready to roll from image restore.

    There's no way I'd give up my ssd! I've been searching ways to slim down my win8.1 install of junk I never use/don't need. Not sure if you could anchor data to make your snapshots smaller or put non os data on a separate partition. That could cut down on snapshot size. I realize that can come down to your current backup strategy and preference for storing non-os data.

    Hope this might help some.
     
  11. Acadia

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    ZeroBits, that is totally up to you, and that answer is not a cop-out. It simply depends upon what you want and everyone is different. For example, how much experimenting do you do, in other words, how many extra bootable snapshots do you need? Yes, I also have a SSD but I only need one extra bootable snapshot and that is only for recovery, so space on my SSD was not a problem.

    Yes, it is $48.xx but that DOES NOT include the update protection or whatever they call it. InstantRestore will STILL continue to work however, just no more updating.

    Now for my initial experimentation with InstantRestore. It has been fun but still need to do a lot more. One warning, but this is on my system, don't know how this may apply to others. I find that I CANNOT restore an old FirstDefense archive!! Oh yes, I mean I can and it will work, but you end up with FirstDefense and NOT InstantRestore on your system. Think about it, it makes sense. Then nothing works inside of InstantRestore/FirstDefens as far as restoring, this is again on MY system. But it really does make sense, two programs, several years apart, they just don't communicate, restoring after that just did not work. No more experimenting until tomorrow, but this should REALLY be fun.:cool:

    Acadia
     
  12. WWS

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    Like Acadia said, you only need one snap shot.
    If you boot to that one snap shot and whittle it down to "bare bone necessities" then it will take up less space on your SSD.
    You could still do your experimenting on the snapshot. Just create archives on the second drive. If you get into trouble on your "primary" just boot to the bare bones snap shot and use it as a platform to use an archived snapshot to update the primary.
    I remember this being brought up a long time ago on Wilders.
     
  13. WWS

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    "December 27th, 2013, 06:05 PM
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    Default Re: Does this look familiar?
    I'm not sure if this has been posted yet or not but here goes. I have FD-ISR on my computer. I installed Instant Recovery on my wife's computer. I made a snapshot there with Instant Recovery and copied it to my computer where I opened the snapshot with FD-ISR with no problem. The programs are identical."

    dickcu,

    I questioned this a few days ago but got no response.
    When you opened your wife's computer snapshot on
    your computer, didn't you have to re-activate her OS
    because it's seeing different hardware?
     
  14. ZeroBits

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    I'm still on the fence if I'll purchase or not. I like the idea of two snapshots...one for daily and one for weekly, but I don't have the storage space on my ssd. I'm intrigued by the concept of just using one. How is this best utilized? By simply doing manual updates to the snapshot before known testing scenarios, a combination of scheduled and manual. Curious to hear some experienced points of view in regard to this. I also noticed an option for compressed snapshot in InstantRecovey, not sure if this was in fdisr or new. Thanks for your responses and help! I appreciate the insight.
     
  15. Peter2150

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    Briefly the one snapshot is this.

    Your main snapshot is simply your c: drive
    Then you have one other snapshot, it can be way stripped down.

    Everything else is done with archives on another drive.

    So first you make the 2nd snapshot. Then you make an archive of your main snapshot. Actually you can make as many as you want.

    So say you want to test something.

    What you do is first update your archive, not the second snapshot.

    Then install and test your software. If you want to keep it then simply do another update of your archive. On the other hand if you want it gone, then you boot to your second snapshot, and do a restore from the archive to your main snapshot. Then boot back to the main snapshot.

    Pete
     
  16. pandlouk

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    For European customers is $58.30 (=48.99 +19% VAT.) :cautious:

    Panagiotis
     
  17. pandlouk

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    On an ssd smaller than 128gb I would not bother installing it. As Pete pointed you would have to use one main snapshot for testing, working, etc. and a secondary one (barebones) to use for restores.
    The time that you'll need to boot to the secondary + restoring from the archive to the primary and then booting to the primary, is greater than the time needed to boot to a recovery environment restoring an image of the partition and rebooting to the OS.

    Panagiotis
     
  18. ZeroBits

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    Pete, thank you, that makes sense and helps clarify a plan for effective use.

    Panagiotis, That has been my biggest struggle with this in that I use image backup first and foremost and wasn't sure if I'd just be complicating my back up plan. Although, the possibility for a test environment I can recover from with a reboot is enticing.

    I appreciate all the responses!
     
  19. ZeroBits

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    Also, I created a compressed snapshot and went from approximately 25gb uncompressed to around 16gb compressed. I can still do some trimming as well. I know this might not save enough room for Innerpeace, but wanted to throw it out there.
     
  20. innerpeace

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    Thanks again. I figured out a large chuck of my OS size. I recently installed 8 more GB of RAM for 16GB total. I've had problems with this computer so I have it make full memory dumps. So I have a 16GB full dump in my Windows folder. All of my games and several programs are already installed on my data drive. I think I could move a few more though. My Windows folder is 40GB but 16GB is a dump file.

    Can the 2nd snapshot be compressed when it is made when installing Instant Rescue? If I remember correctly the secondary snapshot was made when the program is first installed.

    When I had FD-ISR installed on XP I had a primary snapshot, a secondary (emergency) snapshot and a game snapshot. I booted to my game snapshot which had trimmed services and no security programs so it would run faster. Back then I only gamed offline but that has changed recently.
     
  21. ZeroBits

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    I wondered the same thing since I didn't recall seeing the option for the initial snapshot. I just deleted the snapshot that's created through the wizard at first install. And made a new one which offers compression when going through the menu option to create a snapshot. I booted to it with no problem after it was created. I do wonder if there are performance or other issues running a compressed snapshot. It seemed fine on my VM, but use has been minimal.
     
  22. Acadia

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    Tested the trial. Had a problem, MAJOR.

    Install, ok. Created second/recovery snapshot, ok. Created Archive onto another drive for recovery, ok. Booted into secondary snapshot, ok. Recovered Archive on top of Primary snapshot, ok. Tried to boot back into original Primary Snapshot ... AAAAAAAHHHHHHH, not working and I know one other person who has encountered this exact issue.

    I can continue to boot into the secondary both directly and thru the pre-Boot screen, but I cannot boot back into my original no matter what I try, thru the GUI or pre-Boot. Recovered using AX64 recovery disk for the first time ever in a non-test situation, worked perfectly.

    I sent a ticket to Raxco support, we'll see what happens (even submitting that ticket was a fight, what the heck has changed at Raxco, they weren't
    bought-out by Norton or Comodo were they?). As it stands now there is no way that I will test this on my wife's system which is where I was really thinking about installing this program. For myself, returning to "FirstDefense" is still a possibility but it will be the good old FirstDefense (if I do) and not InstantRestore.

    Acadia
     
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  23. Peter2150

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    I had the same experience as Acadia. If you want to test this, and you should, I have outline the steps in case it wasn't clear. Be Sure you have a recovery image of some kind.

    1. Install Instant Recovery
    2. Create a secondary snapshot and make sure you can boot back and forth
    3. Create an archive from the primary.
    4 Add a file preferably large to the desktop and refresh the archive.
    5. Boot to the secondary and refresh the primary from the archive.
    6. Try and boot back to the Primary. Neither Acadia nor I were able to do so. The boot into it was trashed.

    Pete
     
  24. Seven64

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    Sorry if this has been answered already.
    Currently I am using FirstDefense-ISR 3.32.235 on Windows 7 64. Is there a benefit buying this new product?
    I been having trouble with Outpost not starting it's service when booting to a snap-shot.
     
  25. Peter2150

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    The only potential benefit might be the better protection between the snapshots. Other than that I don't think so. Plus I miss the froggie.

    Pete
     
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