Toolwiz Time Machine

Discussion in 'backup, imaging & disk mgmt' started by majoMo, Feb 18, 2013.

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  1. aladdin

    aladdin Registered Member

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    Hi Jim,

    It appears now that they will be releasing a new version soon. Will appreciate, you testing it and giving us your views.

    Best regards,

    Mohamed

     
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  3. manolito

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    Thanks for the link, but this is still the old version 1.0.1.16 from Feruary 2013.
    So far I can't see an updated version...


    Cheers
    manolito
     
  4. jdd58

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    Is a new version still in the works?
     
  5. bo elam

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    Does anyone know if its safe to use Time machine in the same computer as Shadow defender. Conflicts? I realize they should not be used at the same time but I like to know if someone is using both programs in the same computer. I know TTM has TTF included but I rather not uninstall Shadow defender.

    Bo
     
  6. Woody777

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    I did this in fact by mistake once & probably ran the two together for a while. I wondered why my boot was takeing so long. Why would you get rid of Shadow defender to try this. In my estimation SD is by far superior. Plus, I think I was lucky. I'm not so sure that the two together would not result in a disaster.
     
  7. bo elam

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    Hi Woody, I am not gonna get rid of SD. But I am thinking about using Time machine. Time freeze is included in Time machine so its probably not a good idea for me to add TTM.

    Bo
     
  8. majoMo

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    I don't use "Shadow Defender" (instead I use 'Toolwiz Time Freeze', v. 1.8.5, almost always on); I haven't any conflits between TTF and TTMachine: of course I use TTM when TTF is off, to do a 'Snapshot' from System drive/partition (e.g. to try an app. that needs reboot or even an app. that doesn't need to reboot but that I want to try for some days ahead).

    IMO there are no reason to have a conflit between 'Shadow Defender' and 'Toolwiz Time Machine' indeed.

    When you do a Snapshot with TTMachine, SD needs to be OFF; after snapshot done you can use SD ON - TTM resumes working in background (kernel level) and the SD action when ON, will be followed by TTMachine without ANY conflit and/or other kind of interaction: 'Shadow Defender' will do their work, 'Toolwiz Time Machine' either.

    Time Freeze is included in Time Machine - but it doesn't need to be active and it is not ON when you are using Time Machine; it is an option for Time Machine users (like Time Freeze is an option to 'Toolwiz Care' users). The Time Freeze engine is installed but not activated. [since you use SD you don't need to activate Toolwiz Time Freeze engine never]

    You only need to OFF 'Shadow Defender' virtualization action when you do a Snapshot in 'Toolwiz Time Machine'.

    P.S.: 1- Using here 'Toolwiz Time Machine' for some time ago with excellent performance and reliable results.
    2- Be aware that 'Toolwiz Time Machine' engine is not the same that 'Comodo Time Machine' or 'AX64 Time Machine'.
     
  9. bo elam

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    Thanks for your opinion majoMo, I appreciate it.:)

    Bo
     
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  10. Overkill

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    Bo let me know if you do try TTM with SD cause i'd like to try it as well
     
  11. The Red Moon

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    I see no useful purpose in running both of these programs together.
    Shadow defender should suffice adequately.
     
  12. majoMo

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    My pleasure, bo elam. ;)

    For who want to understand better 'Toolwiz Time Machine' engine, it's a very good beginning to read the descriptions in this elaboration/explanation.

    ♦ Toolwiz Time Machine uses the backup-type architecture.​
    ♦ TTM is totally different from the virtualization ones like CTM or Rollback RX. As TTM uses the backup tech and these ones use the map tech.
    ♦ It is used a different tech in the TTM. You can compare this with the one like Windows System Restore Point or TureImage or Ghost and these are similar things.
     
  13. manolito

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    I believe the technique used by Toolwiz Time Machine is very similar to the technique used by SysRestore or Farstone RestorIT. As explained in the Toolwiz article this approach does have its advantages compared to the technique used by Rollback RX (virtual write or mapping), but it also has one serious drawback:

    With this approach it is not possible to jump around freely between snapshots. After restoring an earlier snapshot, all snapshots after the restored snapshot will be gone. There is no way to change your mind after restoring to any earlier snapshot. This is a deal breaker for many users...


    Cheers
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  14. aladdin

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    Hi Manolito,

    Very well said! Also, RestoreIT like TTM used to modify the MBR with a pre-boot menu. It is no longer the case with RestoreIT. Now, it embodies itself in the BCD Store, like many well meaning programs.

    Pre-boot menus are the things of the past! :)

    Best regards,

    Mohamed
     
  15. bo elam

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    I love to try TTM but I am afraid its not wise to do if SD is also installed in the same computer. Thats why I asked if someone has both programs in the same computer. Unless someone can confirm that there is no conflict, I am not installing TTM. In my case, it is unfortunate that TTF is included in TTM because I am not going to uninstall SD and my better senses tell me that TTF and SD should not be installed in the same computer.
    TTM and SD are totally different programs and they serve a different purpose, that's why I like to use it. I am not going to be repetitious, just read majoMos:cool: post once again, he describes how he uses both programs, I would use TTM exactly as he does if I was using it. But regarding LV (Shadow defender), I use it on demand only.

    Bo
     
  16. Overkill

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    I asked James from toolwiz...
     
  17. taleblou

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    I am looking for a free snap-shotting apps and does anyone know whenn the new TTM comes out? Is the old beta version that is already available running problem free on win 7 ultimate 64bit?

    If it does run issue free, then can someone send me the link to download it please.
     
  18. MrBrian

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    See post #152.
     
  19. mike21

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    Does it protect the whole C: partition, like FD-ISR? If so, can I exclude the docs & downloads folders or even extensions? Thanks.
     
  20. deugniet

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    ToolWiz Time Machine has a official forum:

    -http://www.toolwiz.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=8&sid=ec7b45360c5b6c2eef6265a52625292c
     
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  21. taleblou

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    I have test it and have it on but now I there is a issue with it. It seems its cache keeps filling-up even at idle stage and the limit is 512MB. Also there is not empty cache or anyway to clear it. Anyone using knows what will happen when it reaches the 512MB cache size limit?

    This is the only issue I have found that puzzles me. As the rest are fine and I have tested the snapshot and its restore and time freeze and all work fine.

    If this cache size filling up issue is fixed then its a great app and a keeper.
     
  22. bo elam

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    Hi taleblou, I haven't used TTM but I think I read older snapshots are deleted automatically when cache reaches the limit.

    I been thinking about installing TTM on my W7. Can you tell me: after using TTM do you see any kind of warning or errors in Windows event logs?

    Bo
     
  23. majoMo

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    You are right; 'Toolwiz Time Machine' is always working in background at kernel level - so their cache is increasing always [Windows System is always working also, even at idle stage...].

    You are right; the cache decreases, when a snapshot is removed/deleted only. To me is enough to remove old and unneeded snapshots.

    All "snapshots are deleted automatically when cache reaches the limit" [like bo elam posted].

    . When you install TTM you need to choose the cache size; e.g. I have it set to 8 GB in my Win 7. According as your system, software that are working in background, real time defrag, etc. you could need to resize the cache to be suitable for your needs.
    . E.g., after I do a cleaning maintenance in my PC (about 4 times/year) that includes to defrag system partition, chkdsk, etc. , I know that the cache is not enough and TTM deletes all snapshots... The defrag process is known as not suitable for these kind of applications indeed (Windows System Restore also). No problem if the user know such behaviour, and how to deal with it...

    I don't think that is needed to be fixed in the future - because this behaviour is done on purpose by their engine design itself (it is not a bug or/and a poorly designed project).
     
  24. khanyash

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    It was a beta software & never got to final release, right?

    But now have they released the final version? Coz the date for the setup on their website is recent i.e 23 Dec 2013.

    System require - XP is not mentioned.
     
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  25. manolito

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    It is still the old versiom 1.0.1.16 from February 2013. They recently revamped their website and made TimeMachine available again after it had disappeared some time ago.

    I remember a comment from them a while ago where they said that the beta was now considered stable, and that they just removed the "Beta" from the description without actually changing the software. So I guess you can consider it "Stable".


    Cheers
    manolito
     
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