Introducing AX64 Time Machine - hybrid imaging/snapshot software

Discussion in 'backup, imaging & disk mgmt' started by Isso, Jan 18, 2013.

  1. rinem

    rinem Registered Member

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    True but this doesnt happen with IFW, Reflect or Shadowprotect. Ofc i tried AX64 "standalone" on Win8. Its a pity because i really like AX64. Its simple, looks great, the boot cd is done fast and works as intended besides the very noticeable slowdown while backing up (my system). Must be a incompatibility that i cant figure out because the only software running in the background while doing a backup is ess6, firefox or chrome and xyplorer. Sandboxie is on demand.
     
  2. Peter2150

    Peter2150 Global Moderator

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    Okay, I thought I understood merging, but clearly not.

    What I did starting with a snapshot of my system as it is.

    1. Added a picture to the desktop, and created a new snapshot Test1
    2. Deleted that picture and added a different picture, and created snap test2
    3 deleted picture and added a different picture and created snap test3
    4. deleted picture and created snap 4.

    WHen I looked at each snap in the browser I could see each picture on the desktop in snaps 1,2, and 3 and none in 4.

    Then I booted to the original system snap, and deleted Test1,test2, and test3 letting the merging finish each time. I thought all 3 pictures would be in the remaining test4, but in fact none were there.

    What did I do wrong.

    Pete

    Okay, I read the article on the ax64 site and understand what it says, although it doesn't tell you how to do that. Leads me to believe what I did is wrong, so how do I accomplish getting read of Snaps 1,2, and 3 and have everything in 4.
     
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  3. aladdin

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    Do you have the fast startup on?

    Best regards,
     
  4. rinem

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    Yes its on, should i try again with fast startup off?
     
  5. Kit1cat

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    I don't think merging works like that, only a guess, but I think if you merge snaps 1 and 2 you would only get the picture saved in snap 2 because you deleted the picture from snap 1 in snap 2. So for merged 1 and 2 to be up to date it would only contain the picture created in snap 2, and so on, until you only have snap 4 with no pictures.

    To get what you require, restore to snap 4 and manualy open snaps 1, 2, 3 in the browser and copy the pictures to current snap, then delete/merge snaps 1,2 and 3.

    Only my thoughts, I could be wrong :)
     
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  6. Baldrick

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    Hi Peter / Hi Kit1cat

    Apologies if you have already tried this but if not get over to:

    http://feedback.ax64.com/knowledgebase/articles/215929-incremental-backups-and-merging

    for information on this topic. If that does not help then I suggest you PM Isso with your difficulty (unless the Frog steps in first...:doubt:...is he about)
     
  7. aladdin

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    Hi Rinem,

    The fast startup on gave me the biggest problem on all four of my Windows 8 machines. It being on didn't create problem for me with other imaging programs, including IFW. Even though Terabyte (IFW) recommends to have it off.

    Basically the driver of AX64 was not shut properly on shutdown/reboot.

    Best regards,

    Mohamed
     
  8. aladdin

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    Hi Pete,

    I don't see anything wrong with the above. In snap 4, you had them deleted therefore, they got deleted when they merged in snap 4, if not then the snaps will get bigger and bigger.

    I am not sure, but my two cents!

    Best regards,

    Mohamed

    P.S. What I understand that anything you want to keep, is to make a manual snap, until you delete that snap manually, as it would not be deleted (merged) automatically.
     
  9. Peter2150

    Peter2150 Global Moderator

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    Problem with that info in the help file is that it doesn't tell you how to do it.
     
  10. Kit1cat

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    Seems straight forward to me, but I have not tried it.

    crete 3 files on drive, called a,b,c
    take snap 1
    crete new file on drive called x
    take snap 2
    delete file a from drive
    take snap 3
    merge snap 3 with snap 2
    then merge created snap with snap 1

    Hope this helps
     
  11. Peter2150

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    Please give me the exact step, what to click etc to accomplish. There is no merge button, with a choice of what snap to merge and what snap to target.
     
  12. Peter2150

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    What I want to do in essence is at some point collapse all the incrementals in to one final merge snapshot. Does that make sense?
     
  13. Kit1cat

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    copy any 3 files to your drive and call them a,b,c
    run time machine and click on take back up and call it snap 1
    exit time machine
    copy another file to your drive and call it x
    run time machine and click on take back up and call it snap 2
    exit time machine
    delete file a from drive
    run time machine and click on take back up and call it snap 3
    click on view back ups in time machine
    select snap 3 and click on delete (merge 2 and 3)
    select created snap and click on delete (merge 1 and 3)

    You are then left with one snap combining 1,2 and 3

    best I can do without trying it :)

    sorry for typo, should have read delete not restore, now corrected.
     
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  14. pandlouk

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    Hi Pete,

    merging snapshots is not the same as merging their content (as it happens when you merge folders).

    Instead of "merge" think of "delete" (similar to vmware and virtual box snapshots).

    Lets say you have 4 snapshots A->B->C->D.

    When you delete B, AX64 performs a merge function of B and C. A newer C snapshot is created (with merged information/files of B and C so the result would be the same as if after A you created directly a C snapshot) and then the old B and C get deleted; so you'll have A->C->D.

    Then you delete A, A and C get merged to a new C, and the old A and C get deleted; so now C will be your new baseline/ full image.... and so on.
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    The only snapshot that you can never delete is the last one of the current chain (the last one that you took or the last one that you reverted to) because AX64 uses it to track the changes.

    Panagiotis
     
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  15. Peter2150

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    Thanks every one. I think I have it. Will experiment, to be sure. The key for me was the "like VM snapshots" Those I understand.

    Pete
     
  16. Peter2150

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    Hi Panagiotis

    You provided the key. It actually works exactly like the snapshot feature in the VMware Workstation software. What was confusing me is terminology. They refer to it as deleting a snapshot, and the clean up. That makes more sense to my mind then merging.

    But now I totally get it.

    Thanks, and thanks to all who replied. It's what I love about Wilders folks.

    Pete
     
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    Out of all the excellent pc help sites, someone has to be numero uno! :cool:

    Acadia
     
  18. gimmeagig

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    How to start over with a fresh backup?

    This may be a stupid question but ...
    If I want to start over with a fresh backup
    Should I delete all backups from within the backup browser or can i just delete the backups directly on my drive.
    Once the backups are gone, will AX64 know to back up the full drive again?
     
  19. MarcP

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    Just rename the AXTM folder to something else to keep the backups and create a new empty folder for the new backups.
     
  20. gimmeagig

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    How to start over with a fresh backup?

    This may be a stupid question but ...
    If I want to start over with a fresh backup
    Should I delete all backups from within the backup browser or can i just delete the backups directly on my drive.
    Once the backups are gone, will AX64 know to back up the full drive again?
     
  21. bgoodman4

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    Re: How to start over with a fresh backup?

    You can delete from the drive, this would actually be faster than deleting from within the browser since you cannot delete more than 1 snap from the browser at a time (and doing so will initiate a merge which takes time as well),,,,,,and you cannot delete the current snap at all.

    The only time you must not delete from the drive is if you are deleting individual snaps. Doing this will break the chain.

    And yes, if you delete the AXTM folder from the drive AX64 will begin a new set automatically at the next snap creation (be it manual or automatic).
     
  22. Peter2150

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    One of the things I want to do is be able to save a backup chain on another drive, and start a new on.

    If I understand, I can save the files in the AXTM folder to another drive an label it say AXTM1

    Then if I want I can go into the browser, click on Open Other Backups, go to AXTM1 and select it. I then see those files in the browser. I assume I can select a point in time and restore to it.

    THen when I want to go back to current time, just be sure I am in the AXTM folder and restore to the last backup.

    Am I correct?

    Pete
     
  23. pandlouk

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    you are welcome.:)
    I did not get what you want to do.
    2 completely different chains or having a backup of a chain?

    Panagiotis
     
  24. Peter2150

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    What I want to do is this. Start a chain say on Jan 1 and use it for 2 months.

    Then On March 1 move those files into another folder on a 2nd disk and start a new chain in the normal folder.

    Then again repeat the process on May 1. This way I end up with an active chain of backups, with previous chains just set aside for the emergency situation. Keeps the active chain from getting to big.

    But to be of value you need to be able to access those old chains.

    Pete
     
  25. Stode

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    I'm on a quad-core i7 laptop 2.8ghz win7 64-bit and just had also a major slowdown and freezing on pretty much everything while backing up.
    couldn't be cause of avast internet security cause i disabled its protection but it didnt make a difference...
    When I started to backup, at first i got 3 times in a row some error codes, but i kept on trying
    and then it finally started to backup.
    it took 37 min 23 secs to backup first backup aka baseline, on 200gb partition.. (Windows partition)

    i hope izzo can either code or find some freeware solution to do backups also on cold mode (boot/rescue disk)
     
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