Microsoft Security Essentials and McAfee Fail Security Certification - Dennis Tech

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  1. kdcdq

    kdcdq Registered Member

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    I couldn't have said it better myself...:thumb:
     
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    Every bank I have done business with is still using XP. Easier than upgrading I guess. And so is my Insurance company.
     
  3. elapsed

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    It's amusing to see fanboys get so worked up over these tests.....

    ...but then I read this, and it went from amusing to absolutely hilarious. I laughed my butt off. AV is serious business!
     
  4. chimpsgotagun

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    About market shares of Win versions... that Net Applications statistics is based in 40 000 web pages. How accurate it is, don't know, and what the other reports say, would be interesting. It doesn't give out region based statistics if you aren't a paying customer. I'd be interested in regions like USA or N-America, Europe etc. if somebody has that kind of statistics handy.

    I found this one year old news in Finnish (yeah, I'm a Finnish chimp). Those interested, use google translate
    http://www.hardware.fi/uutiset/artikkeli.cfm/2012/07/03/windows_7_ylitti_50_markkinaosuuden

    There it was said, globally, one year ago, Win7 had reached 50% and XP dropped to 30%. (In Finland Win7 had 54% share that time, and XP had 18%.) It was based in StatsCounter report, and there are couple of graphs at the link.
     
  5. silverfox99

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    Some stats from a desktop OS market share survey from June 2013:

    Windows 7 44.37%
    Windows XP 37.17%
    Windows 8 5.10%
    Windows Vista 4.62%
    Mac OS X 10.8 3.14%
    Mac OS X 10.6 1.76%
    Mac OS X 10.7 1.73%
    Linux 1.28%
    Mac OS X 10.5 0.43%
    Windows NT 0.19%
    Mac OS X 10.4 0.10%
    Windows 2000 0.04%
    Mac OS X 10.9 0.02%
    Mac OS X (no version reported) 0.02%
    Win64 0.01%
    Windows 98 0.00%
    Mac OS X Mach-O 0.00%
    Windows ME 0.00%

    That's global, you have to pay if you want filter by geography, demographic etc.

    Netmarketshare.com: Operating System Market Share (by version) - June 2013 http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0
     
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    But yet again, Symantec was not the winner of the Home Anti-Virus Protection test.
     
  7. EliteKiller

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    If I were to belive their figures (StatCounter's numbers were quite different, like you can see from couple of posts above, but who knows, one might be closer to right world-wide, and another might be closer in USA or western world etc.), 37.74/(37.74+4.27+4.51+44.58 ) = 0.41427 - that is XP/(XP+Win8+Vista+Win7)

    Wow. Things are quite different here.
     
  9. AVusah

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    Xp is obsolete. End of story.
     
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    So is Microsoft Windows, Mr. Pot. Of course we're all guilty of bias to varying degrees, but I daresay the kettles were proportionate. Nothing wrong with that as long as reason holds though.

    Anyways, the tests showed little difference from others despite the irreproducible claims of Norton bias, so good job to Dennis Tech. XP is outdated in 2013 though.
     
  11. elapsed

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    Right, I go around saying "you too scared to do that" like a 7 year old all the time. :ninja:

    I have to wonder what one would think of as a "Microsoft Windows" bias though, calling out anti-Microsoft nonsense when it's obvious? Or maybe you just see everyone that actually likes Windows 8 that way. Dear lord, lest not someone like Windows 8, be thy sin.

    *facepalm*

    It didn't hold though, did it now. Hence the hilarity in his taunting statement.
     
  12. J_L

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    So I shouldn't have added the last sentence, looks like consideration is pointless to you. I do see reason within your reactions, but those reactions are of the same kind of bias as fanboys the way you stick to it (and become less rational), only in the opposite direction.

    Enough said, I just wanted to let it out. Back on topic, I don't see why Dennis Tech should be distrusted on a security test for reasons of government invading privacy.
     
  13. silverfox99

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    Perpetual 'sleeper' McAfee scored a dismal 82% in the recent Dennis Lab test ie letting through a whopping 18% of malicious attacks in the test.

    Strange as McAfee looked like they had upped their game in the past few months for example in the recent AV-C real-world test (May 2013) McAfee gave a decent performance blocking 99.1% of malware (not up there with the usual 'top dogs', but decent enough).

    Why the wild swings between tests carried out during similar timeframe? Not looked closely but i presume Dennis Labs and AV-C taking quite a different approach here?
     
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    Somewhat an apples vs. oranges analogy. The Dennis test was on a WIN XP SP3 platform. The AV Comparatives real world test was on a WIN 7 x64 SP1 platform. Always compare results for same platform tests and same processor class. A number of AVs have less protection on the x64 platform than on the x86 platform. On the other hand, the OS protection is stronger on an x64 platform.

    This also explains MSE poor ratings. MSE on an XP platform has been shown on multiple labs tests to rate noticably worse than on the WIN 7 platform. I speculate the same holds true for McAfee.
     
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    We work with three of the biggest UK tech companies, BT being one. BT, along with the other two, still use XP across all their workstations and remote working laptops. Indeed, they still use IE7, too.

    XP might be 'obsolete', but many large organisations still haven't migrated to Windows 7. There's a huge difference between home users and enterprise customers.
     
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    I wonder what kind of big difference the OS could really make to detection rates? I mean maybe the software is better, integrates with newer OS API smartly and is overall more efficient, but would that really sway actual detection rates?
     
  17. AVusah

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    This was a home antivirus test.
    Tests should always be done using the latest products and OSs to reflect the best protection that is available.
    If a company wants a test done on an almost-decade-and-a-half old operating system, they can always order one themselves.
     
  18. EliteKiller

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    There is no difference in a 'home' or 'business' test if both are using the same OS (admin acct.) and AV. Again, XP still has a generous market share, therefore the results are relevant.
     
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    Only it was some home based enterprise. Any business of substance would be using a server with corresponding server OS and possibly XP on the clients. However, they would most like be using a commercial endpoint solution with polices and rule enforcement via group policy. In reality most would have already or be in the process of installing WIN 7 on the clients.
     
  20. silverfox99

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    I would agree that any 'business of substance' will not run the risk of operating WindowsXP past expiry of support. Hard to tell though how many 'businesses of un-sunstance' there are out there who will run WinXP past support either through ignornace, cashflow or whatever. My guess is probably quite a few. Will be interesting to see market share a year from now.

    Anecdotaly i also sense a relucance for business to move to Win8 due to the interface. Our business uses WinXP throughout and we are migrating to Win7 in first quarter 2014. That's a risk based decision.
     
  21. si_ed

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    Just a point of fact: we tested not only consumer products but SMB and enterprise products also - management servers and all.

    Also, we agree that Windows 7 is of more interest than Windows XP for many people - which is why the next reports will be based on Windows 7.

    Best wishes,
    Simon
     
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    Good to hear this.
     
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