Sandboxie 3.70 Released

Not at all, I never attack individuals but I can focus on behaviour or acts. For example if you have a child, you love and accept the child, but you may not love how they behave or how they do things. see the difference?

I do not like how some programs are presented, AMWAY do the same strategy, "The roof is falling, you MUST HAVE our cutting edge product to be saved". And I dislike when people spread something as if brainless zombies who cannot think for themselves and who have NO real idea about what does what.

 

This post is not about debates currently underway here.

I have a question.

In my VISTA 64 bit xp sp3 setup, I have a free version of Avast running.

It has an optional "shield" running which they call a sandbox.

So in that case why would I or any user need this Sandboxie product?

 

chris, you are "offended" every-time you are challenged. A sign of immaturity.

Get a thick skin for goodness sake, get out in the real world and stop living in a bubble. If this offends you, then WOW lol, you wouldn't last long in a tough work environment or the army etc lol.

It's a sign of maturity if someone can handle being challenged. But sadly, most people go into "defense mode" as soon as their choices in something is challenged, and many even resort to childish behaviour, and they are "offended".

 

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Alright. So I think you're trying to say that Sandboxie is just presented as invincible when you don't think it is. It just comes off as more of an attack, like you're saying it's not just "not perfect" but actually insecure.

 

You don't. There are many alternatives to achieve the same objective that SBIE is trying to achieve.

 

Actually I did answer you, you just ignored it.

I stated that even the most leak-free software on the planet could be penetrated, my close to 100% (and not a definate 100%) comment, refers to this. I also stated in the same comment, that even with that in mind, it has been 100% to me.

The only evidence, proof, personal reference points I need are my own (the fact that You need sources and reference points to tell you if your infected or how good it protects your own pc, tells us all, you know very little and it is infact you, who need to follow) I test it against all the malware I find, - unlike you, I trust my own tests - I'm pretty sure that doesn't mean I'm a parrot, or a follower to anything,

You speak like SBIE is a cult with tsuk as the leader with the customers loyal followers - are you even aware of what your saying, or how completely retarded you sound? - do you realise that people are now mocking you, laughing at you and only replying to entertain and see 'what it says next?'

 

As I said I don't care what you think of me. The point I was making is to call those who obviously have more experience and knowledge of this product than you ignorant of the facts because they refuse to take your bait is offensive to the notion of reasoned debate.

 

You have interpreted it as an attack, because you jumped into "defense mode". It's a psychological condition where people hear and see a particular interpretation of comments and events, when something they have chosen is challenged. It comes down to low self-esteem issues as well, as people begin to take it PERSONALLY, when someone challenges something that the person has personally decided upon it. They interpret it as an attack on their choices, which extends to an interpretation that they themselves are being attacked.

I must confess, I am surprised this coming from you Hungry Man, as I always thought you had a higher awareness.

It's important to have an ability of SEPARATION from PERSON and CHOICES! I wonder how many people will even understand what I mean with that

That's why I never get offended or upset if someone challenges my choices, because I can separate CHOICES from me as a PERSON.

So folks... this is a discussion about a PRODUCT and not PEOPLE. Get it? lol

 

Not trying to argue, just trying to see what you're saying and explain why someone may interpret it as an attack.

 

They interpret it as an attack on them, and for explanation about that, see my comment above.

Now back on topic... HM, why do you use SBIE over anything else? State your reasons with sources that helped you come to a particular conclusion and decision, and show me how SBIE's objectives CANNOT be reached through any known alternatives.

 

Avast's sandbox is more of a behavior based application. Sandboxie sandboxes everything in the sandbox no matter what is run. So say you are using a sandboxed browser with sandboxie, anything that gets downloaded and run will be in the sandbox. With Avast it has to have a certain behavior before the sandbox pops up asking if you would like to sandbox.

 

I use Linux, Ubuntu specifically.

On Windows 7 I liked to use Sandboxie for certain programs (like my IM client, download manager) because it allows for a "least privilege" type approach but without the usual compatibility issues of a Mandatory Access Control system because it's copy-on-write.

 

Let me explain with another example. Someone you know pulls up in a new car and asks what you think about it and the maker of the car?

So you answer, "I personally don't like the car maker, e.g FORD, and I dont like their aggressive marketing, and I don't particular like all the extra features in that car as I personally don't need them to achieve road safety".

Now most people get all offended and defensive and upset. But why? All the person did was say they don't like the car, the maker and the marketing campaign.

The reason they get upset is because due to low self-esteem issues and insecurity issues, they take it as a PERSONAL ATTACK, when the person didn't even speak about the person at all. Because they chose the car and bought it, and if someone says they don't like the car, they take it PERSONALLY, because they are immature and have a low awareness.

Hope this explains to Hungry Man and anyone else who was wondering about my intent.

By the way HM, good choice to use Linux for sensitive internet behaviour. NO need for SBIE on Linux

 

I would not fault Ford for having drivers who are enthusiastic for the product. It's not like Ford says "Go out and tell them how amazing it is and no oen ever say anything bad."

 

But HM, do you admit that those objectives can be reached without the need for SBIE?

 

I don't know of any programs that do what Sandboxie does. There's similar programs like DefenseWall but otherwise I can't think of any.

 

And if someone did find fault with Ford and didn't like Ford and what they did, would you get offended, upset, angry and defensive and accuse the person of personally attacking you?

OR would you understand that different people view things differently and would you respect their right to come to their own conclusions?

 

You surely joke?

Are you seriously telling me that you know of NO other program that can "lock down" activity into a "zone"? You must be teasing me HM? Or maybe you use Linux most of the time and not experienced with what's available on PC?

 

Nope. And you're welcome to your opinion. I just think people want you to back it up with something substantial.

If your argument is that Sandboxie is not perfect there is no need for evidence, it's a fair assumption. If you argument is that Sandboxie is flawed I think evidence is due.

 

You're referring to bufferzone I assume? Never used it. From what I know of it it seems different in that Sandboxie allows you to open up paths to the actual file system.

 

And when I FIRST asked a few people to do that for me, they ran and hid with their tails between their legs and did the "sidestep shuffle"

 

Are you joking with me or what Hungry?

Of course they may be different, but you are missing the whole point as that is not the topic right now. So....let me ask you this question so there is no misunderstanding.... WHAT IS THE MAIN OBJECTIVE OF SBIE? To achieve what exactly?

And when you answered that, then answer this, "Do you know of any ALTERNATIVE strategies to achieve that SAME OBJECTIVE?"

 

I'm really not familiar with BufferZone as, like I said, I've never used it. If Sandboxie's main alternative is to provide a copy-on-write access control system I don't know of another program that provides that function. The closest would probably be BufferZone, which runs the program in a fully virtualized environment.

 

Were happy with the product, it is you that isn't.

Its your job to tell us all otherwise,

What are the leaks?
Why doesn't it provide the protection it sells?

A person happy with the product, is not going to offer you the comments you seek for approval - a customer would not continually use a product that failed on them, - hence why some of us have been SBIE customers for years.

If I had such objections towards a product & its hype, it would be up to me to prove this and create the debate - you have offered absolutely jack to even put a doubt into a customers mind.

Why does it bother you that there are many happy, well protected customers of SBIE - I'm no psychologist, but even I can tell you have some serious issues.