Windows 8 - Looks really awsome

Maybe it is progress... But, progress doesn't always work as intended.
I don't know, maybe it's just me seeing it all wrong.

But, let us forget the Start Menu and the Start button for a moment. Let us focus on Internet Explorer, for instance. This is something I previously mentioned, so I apologize for bringing it up again. But, it's just to show that Microsoft didn't think clearly the changes they are introducing.

Otherwise, think about it. You have two versions of Internet Explorer 10 in Windows 8: Metro Internet Explorer and Desktop Internet Explorer.

The Metro Internet Explorer version/mode is plugin less. It won't accept plugins; it won't recognize them.

We live in a pluginable Internet. Many websites have flash content, including a very famous one - Youtube. For somebody's sake, Microsoft's pages video content needs Microsoft Silverlight plugin.

How is the user going to play this kind of content? The alternative will be to switch to the Desktop Internet Explorer version/mode, which will accept the plugins.

Who in his/her perfect mind will be switching between these two versions/modes everytime a website needs a plugin to work?

People will spend their time switching between these two modes, when all they want is enjoy the Internet. This is counter productive, IMHO.

Now, let us forget about Internet Explorer 10 in Windows 8.

According to some articles, due to the lack of the current Start Menu button, it will take a few extra steps to shut down the computer. A few extra steps may only be a few extra seconds, nonetheless this is not progress, this is not evolution.

Unfortunately, I'm not using Windows 8, so I cannot dig deep into it and see what's worse than this.

Imagine that in the name of progress it would take us a few extra period of time to make a phone call, to turn on/off the engine of your car, to open the garage of your house, etc... all this extra, when before you could do it faster. Would you call this evolution?

 

The way I see it MS needed to do something radically different. There was no way it would be perfect (though I really like it.) Windows 9 will be what 7 was for Vista - a nice UI update. And Vista and 8 are similar in that they are both significant overhauls of the OS.

Until then, I'm really glad taht I like metro because I get the benefits of the security built into windows 8 and performance improvements.

To each their own - I personally don't care to argue about UI. As far as I'm concerned everyone is right because UI is all about individuals experiences.

 

Well ... I was being a little bit ironic.

Yes, it doesn't seem very well thought through at all. Reading this, Metro is going to make Vista look like a great success.

LOL, thinking about Metro, Win 7 is going to live longer than XP isn't it?

My guess; people will just stay in desktop mode. Unless of course, they are using a tablet. In which case they probably will not be running Windows if MS don't rethink some of this.

I agree. Although, I have set my notebook to shutdown when I close the lid.

Yeah, you're right of course. It kinda reminds me of digital TV though, switching channels is not so fast as the old analogue system.

 

Heck, many people (home users and enterprises) is still on Windows XP. That has to count for something. lol

That would be my opinion as well. And, if it's to stay on the Desktop Mode, we might as well just have a full Desktop Mode. Metro Mode would still apply for tablets/touch devices and users of laptops/desktops who want to use it. Of course, Internet Explorer 10 would have to accept plugins. I simply don't see how users can enjoy the web without plugins. We're don't live in such a period where plugins have died.

I suppose for notebooks it wouldn't matter much, as it would for desktops. But, some people prefer to suspend the system when closing their notebooks.

Tell me about it! Now, when one channel starts malfunctioning, they all malfunction (image wise)! In the analogue time, if one channel started to malfunction, we still had the others.

 

Yeah, & MS are going to support Vista/Seven for quite a while into the future.

I have a feeling MS are jumping the gun a bit here. How many people have laptops/monitors with touch screens? I've never liked them anyway, they are susceptible to screen damage, need constant screen cleaning & above all, have been discovered to be tiring to use. Admittedly Metro is for tablet devices, I personally don't see the attraction of Metro on a desktop.

I'll have to reserve judgement really until I actually try Win 8. I may very well be in the market for a new laptop later this year. I was just getting used to Win 7, I may genuinely consider a Macbook.

Yeah, the good old days!

 

Oh please, what complete nonsense you have to make up as excuses to justify your choice of OS. No matter what OS you use, you're eventually forced to upgrade simply because apps want to take advantage of new features. If you don't you have to resort to layers of hacks/virtualization programs like the Win98 fanatics do. If you don't you need to make do with the old versions of apps, this is perfectly plausible in Windows or Ubuntu.

There is no "walled garden" in Windows any more than there is in Ubuntu. The app store can be compared to the software center, and Win32 apps have 0 restrictions. Not only that, but Win32 apps are only controlled by YOU, where as software center apps in Ubuntu can be remotely pulled from your PC, as demonstrated by the whole Java debacle.

 

Some Windows 8 tips ..

http://blogs.computerworld.com/19813/five_windows_8_secrets_tips_and_hints

http://blogs.computerworld.com/19820/how_to_bring_back_the_start_menu_to_the_windows_8_desktop

 

I still hate the ribbon.

 

I never wondered how I lived without it. Being forced to use office 20XX at work, I find the ribbon the least intuitive piece of engineering ever created.
Mrk

 

Opinions are opinions, right? For instance, I find the ribbon very intuitive and a great way to have all the options right in front of my eyes, and whenever I need more visible space, I can just minimize it, until I need it again.

Before, I used to waste a few seconds trying to find what I wanted in those endless menus.

That said, when Office 2007 came out, I disliked the ribbon, but simply because the orb that it had/has was/is simply stupid. Office 2010 has a somewhat cleaner ribbon, IMHO.

Maybe Microsoft could have a ribbon for the Desktop, as a new Start Menu, instead of Metro! I'm joking! (About the Start Menu.) But, I'd take the ribbon over Metro. lol

 

lol Moon. I hated ribbon as well when it first came out but for a different reason, but I'm used to it as I have Office 2010 and use Office 2007 before it

 

Thanks Ocky - for those good reads.

 

Im starting to like the new start screen.
I am deleting the apps from the start screen i wont use and then adding and naming my own sections. ive added a system section for stuff like defrag,computer management ,event viewer, control panel,services etc. ive added social for messaging applications.

once you know the full power of the start screen you wont want to go back to the old system.

 

What exactly IS the full power of the start screen, and how is it any better than the traditional win 7 setup?

 

Got a little surprise today. I'm sure it was noted somewhere that this happens, I probably just forgot. Anyway, logged onto my laptop after I wiped it with Windows 8 and my favourites were there in IE10, nice. 1 less thing to back up.

 

well with windows 7 you can only pin a certain amount of applications to the start bar. with the windows 8 start screen you can pin unlimited applications with your own sections and name them. this means you have your own custom start screen with everything you use and nothing you dont. this means you wont really need to search for applications once you have set your start screen up.

 

I think a lot of power users have yet to realize how great grouping is.

 

Grouping is really cool if you use lots of apps/programs.

Live tiles are what really make it for me. Live tiles >>>>> some list of programs.

 

You can pin as many as you want. it just scrolls once you exceed the visible length.

 

I find another world inside my Windows 7
When I realize the amazing things I can do
It makes me want to feel again alive
It makes me want to turn my system on and dive

It's all about the grouping
It's all about the shhh shhh duh dee shh shh
I think it's shortcut
To make them come to me
It's all about the grouping
It's all about the shhh shhh duh dee shh shh
And I think Microsoft got it* all wrong anyway


* Metro

Grouping is amazing... How about this: -http://ssj100.fullsubject.com/t459-application-launcher-trick-using-windows-own-methods

Grouping without the obnoxious Metro... As somebody else says Impossible is nothing.

And I love it... love it...

 

I may have to give it one more try just to explore further, but I'm still not convinced that there's anything I really need in 8.

 

Thank you for your measured response. It brings to mind this bit from the Register link already referred to that hasn't yet been quoted:

"There is no "walled garden" in Windows any more than there is in Ubuntu." That's the biggest piece of garbage I've read so far. Tell that to anyone who uses "other" office software.

 

Uh, there's no walled garden in either. There's really not one in OSX either, it's incredibly easy to install non-market applications. The only walled garden OS I can think of is iOS, which you'd have to jailbreak to install out-of-market applications.

I don't see why Windows 8 would be comparable to Snow Leapord or a minor upgrade - it's a major overhaul of the UI with many more security and performance features and improvements across the board. It is much more deserving of a "full price" than, say, Windows 7.

 

Yes, but there's no confusion at all is there? Not like Windows Explorer, or is it Internet Explorer? One of them is a browser ... I think.