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Boleh VPN

Currently we have VPN servers in:

Canada
Netherlands
Switzerland
United Kingdom
United States of America
Luxembourg

Server locations are not good IMO.

I couldn't find info on PRQ's and Portlane's server locations.

 

vpntunnel.se are the same as portlanes i posted a while back asking why and if anyone knew if they was same company because when connected to vpntunnel.se your ip is portlanes clients

 

Why are they not good? Concerned over logging? If so Switzerland has no laws requiring a VPN to log IPs. Ive checked into it. I believe Luxembourg should be good as well. Not sure about the Netherlands and the UK but they probably dont require VPNS to log either.

 

I don't think US and EU based VPN servers can be trusted.

 

Are you sure about that?

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20...e-to-retain-data-despite-no-legal-basis.shtml

https://www.privacyinternational.org/article/switzerland-privacy-profile

Are you maybe thinking Sweden? Swedish law is tweaked to allow for much more leniency on what data must be retained. It's EU law, but tweaked with a Swedish law that waters the EU directives down rather drastically.

 

The UK can compel you to give up your encryption keys. Now, I know that isn't logging related, but I would stay so far away from the UK, I mind as well be on Saturn.

PD

 

Im sure about that. Unless several Switzerland based VPNS are lieing to me. I have seen both the links you posted before. Both of them are talking about logging at the ISP level not a VPN. And the link to privacy international you posted says this:

If this bill passed or not Im not sure. If it didnt then ISP logging is not even required. This still does not have to do with a VPN either way.

 

That maybe possible for them to be compelled to do that but then the VPN could shutdown there servers to protect the users and if they have Perfect Forward Secrecy on the servers Im not sure how much information authorities could get even if they have the keys. See here: http://vincent.bernat.im/en/blog/2011-ssl-perfect-forward-secrecy.html and here: http://www.openvpn.net/index.php/open-source/faq/75-general/295-are-there-any-known-security-vulnerabilities-with-openvpn.html

 

I don't know of any country in the world that requires VPNs specifically to keep logs. Those logging laws are generally targeted toward bona-fide Internet Service Providers (ISPs) only. The bureaucrats that come up with these laws don't even know what the heck a VPN is anyway. Let's face it, as long as they have a quick and easy way to nab 95% of ordinary internet users (the low hanging fruit), they can't be bothered with trying to go after the other 5%.

 

The EU does have a Data Retention law, but as CasperFace said it is targeted towards the ISP, but I do see some EU VPNs logging and I get the feeling they do so because of this law and some paranoia, to cover their butts in the process, just in case. Or maybe it's just ignorance thinking they need to...


Cheers

P.S. Don't remember if anonymoX was mentioned in this post or not;

https://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?p=1999911#post1999911

 

Portlane responded back;

Portlane is an ISP and special quality mountain safe hosting firm. We do not own any other VPN brand other than Anonine ourselves. Everything else is simply our customers.

 

I just came across -https://12vpn.com/ from Hong Kong. They charge by the year -- $79 for several US servers, or $119 for those plus Frankfurt (DE) and Maidenhead (UK). I don't see anything about multiple hops. They support IPSec, which is unusual.

 

I've seen this VPN before, thought I posted them, anyhow their TOS is stupid...

I'll be sure to add them to the blacklist...

THANKS


BlackList Report - (Bad VPNs);

Anonymizer - (Logging)
BlackVPN - (Lack of privacy, stores user info)
Cocoon - (Not as secure as OpenVPN)
Hidemyass - (Logging and promoting open proxies)
Ipredator - (PPTP and no email communication)
Kryptotel - (They don't know what they're doing - won't answer basic OpenVPN questions)
Perfect Privacy - (No pre sales email customer communications)
Relakks - (PPTP)
SwissVPN - (Logging)
VPNSwiss - (Logging)
VyprVPN - (Company doesn't know what they're doing and bad support)
12vpn - (Typical big business BS TOS)

 

We have to remember we are talking about different countries, different alliances, different laws and various interpretations of, say, the EU directive on data retention. There have been cases where the top legal authority in a country, a court, etc. has said that VPNs must log as well and be treated as an ISP. But, that's not everywhere. Keeping track of this globally would be a full-time job.

 

Yes they're trying to make it so anyone offering a service has to log, so keep your eyes open!

 

How would one really know whether they kept logs, or for how long? Maybe the only people who know never talk with lawyers or marketing staff. Maybe someone there is cooperating with XYZ agency, without officially informing management. Stuff like that happens.

Just assume that everyone logs everything that they can access, and retains the logs until they run out of space. If you're wrong, no problem

 

"VyprVPN - (Company doesn't know what they're doing and bad support)"
Hmm I have found them to be excellent, as for logging well I think that will happen with any VPN if they are told by a court of law to monitor and record a particular IP or IPs.

 

There are a few things wrong here and I didn't go into details, but now that someone has brought them up I will.

1. Serious VPN providers do not offer PPTP, plus charging what they do for it at $14.99 a month for such a crap service. My saying is, if any company is offering PPTP, then stay away, stick to OpenVPN!

2. I tried to get support from them about IPsec and they couldn't even handle themselves properly over the matter. Granted, I can understand a company with their position for support on different systems, since I was asking for support in Linux, which they said they didn't provide, but what I did was provide them screenshots, about 14 in total for the client I was using in Linux, that all I wanted to know was what options they were using so I could simply put them in the client to use and they couldn't handle that.

So here's the point, Linux support or no Linux support the protocol and options are all the same on any OS and yet they didn't even seem to know what options they were using? So what does this mean, that means you don't know what you're doing, because with every OS, even with OpenVPN everything is the same...

These are the reasons I said they don't know what they're doing because they don't...

Also I said in the past people should stay away from USA based VPN providers and this company is in the US.

Logging will not happen for any VPN provider unless the law in that country dictates that they must log, or they simply want to log. Hardcore privacy advocate types of VPN services do not log!

Something I also didn't mention, they maintain data, these are not 'Hardcore Privacy Advocates of VPN'!

BS Privacy Policy!
https://www.goldenfrog.com/privacy

 

"Logging will not happen for any VPN provider unless the law in that country dictates that they must log, or they simply want to log. Hardcore privacy advocate types of VPN services do not log!"

My point exactly because they are not logging now doesnt mean a logging process wont be started if law enforcement get a court order, and you certanly wont know about it,or youre VPN is in IRAN, or North Korea which would keep the U.S and its mates from spying but I think many other freedoms would be extinct.

As for youre support experience, all i can say is that mine was different.

 

If your VPN received a court order and was told they had to log, then a good VPN is going to make you aware of this, not sneak it behind your back.

The experience I had, has nothing to do with yours vs mine, etc... The point is, this company simply doesn't understand how the protocols are the same on any OS and this goes to show a lack of experience and professionalism on their part, very bad!

 

If it's in the USA, a gag order can be placed in the order forbidding the VPN provider to inform you.

 

Sounds like another great reason to stay from USA providers...

 

Hi Mirmir. Have you ever heard of this company? http://www.rayservers.com/ I'd be curious to know what you think.

 

I gather that they are part of the crypto anarchist/libertarian capitalist old guard. They host the gold-silver-crypto list, and infrastructure for the Global Settlement Foundation. I've never used them (or Cryptohippie) because their cost/throughput ratio is high. But they provide many services, and I'm sure that they are very good at it.

 

Thanks caspian for sharing that link, when did you find them?

Looks really great, certainly some very interesting reading, to bad there's a USA number on that site, sorry that's just me, I stay far away from the USA, not that there aren't good people and good business in the USA, it's that USA government, it's power and what it can do to anyone that keeps me far far away!

But that business is certainly one to keep an eye one, but they are expensive, so the questions. Is it really worth the price what we have to ask? Next, what are you doing that makes your VPN so special that you are worth more?

mirimir that was certainly a mouth full, LOL; Crypto anarchist/libertarian capitalist old guard...

Hmm we need a picture to see what these Old Guards look like hehe...