Opera 10.53 is officially released - The Fastest Browser on Earth !

Discussion in 'other software & services' started by nanana1, Apr 30, 2010.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. linuxforall

    linuxforall Registered Member

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2010
    Posts:
    2,137

    Nope, the proof is in the pudding and its clearly demonstrated, aren't you falling for the Chrome is fast hyperbole here? Opera has been independently tested as well to live up to its claim so far. When it was slow to Google, they never bothered and let Google have its day in the Sun, now its Opera's turn, who knows what tomorrow will bring.
     
  2. linuxforall

    linuxforall Registered Member

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2010
    Posts:
    2,137

    Thats the point, Chrome is fast, Opera for now is faster, just because the former runs faster on your machine don't make it the norm for others. As countless machines tested with Opera have tested faster than Chrome and therefore Opera's claim, Google is free to challenge it if they want. Your justification for Chrome hyperbole is fully logical just as other's for Opera. Believe it or not, some claim that IE8 blows all of them to weeds on their machines.
     
  3. Eice

    Eice Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jan 22, 2009
    Posts:
    1,413
    Actually, you're right. What makes Chrome being fastest as the norm for others is that Peacekeeper's average stats show that Chrome is top dog.

    What countless machines, exactly?

    I think Google has enough common sense to ignore marketing hyperbole like the rest of us.

    * Deleted my last post by mistake, sorry.
     
  4. nanana1

    nanana1 Frequent Poster

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2007
    Posts:
    947
    This is not just marketing hyperboles as you are suggesting. Any claims put on the website of reputable companies is regulated by the local advertising control agency, need to be substantiated and must stand the test of the local court of law if challenged.:cool:

    What browser are you using, Eice o_O Chrome ? Well, that's great and fast browser too ! Just stick with your browser of choice, ie. Chrome and not get too hung up about the claims that any browser made as long as your needs are met and customer experience satisfied. :p
     
  5. Eice

    Eice Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jan 22, 2009
    Posts:
    1,413
    "Local court of law"?

    Oh, come on. Why would anyone want to waste valuable time and money hiring lawyers and going to court to challenge something that everyone knows is a mere marketing tagline? Anyone who does that is just going to end up making themselves look completely stupid for actually taking those claims seriously.

    Besides, these "local advertising control agencies" seem rather inefficient when it's obvious that at least one out of Apple and Opera are making fake claims, but have had nothing happen to them so far.

    I use every one except Safari in both Windows and Linux, if it's really of any interest to you.
     
  6. nanana1

    nanana1 Frequent Poster

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2007
    Posts:
    947
    You'll be surprised.:p
     
  7. linuxforall

    linuxforall Registered Member

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2010
    Posts:
    2,137

    The fastest machine on peacekeeper is an Opera, check again and thats the norm. If you are talking about averages, definitely Chrome will have the edge due to its higher userbase.

    Google and common sense, don't think so, if it gets opportunity to wipe out the only browser in contention, it would do so with glee.

    Countless machines running Opera have had better benchmarks than Chrome, some examples have been already given on this thread.

    If you like Chrome, thats fine as nanana says, use it by all means, just don't deny Opera's attributes here because it doesn't suit you.
     
  8. Eice

    Eice Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jan 22, 2009
    Posts:
    1,413
    Er, no. You were talking about how single cases don't count because they don't prove what's the norm. There's your single case, your own argument, right there looking at you.

    What makes that stat even more meaningless is that it doesn't tell you anything about what other browsers could've scored on that same machine. It only tells you how Opera fared. I really don't see how you can make any conparisons, much less conclude that it's the norm, from that single stat alone.

    What?

    Do you know how averages work? Averages aren't sums. The number doesn't go up just because many people participate in the tests. The number goes up if many people are getting better test results, aka the norm is that Chrome has better performance.

    Source, please. Plus calling Opera the "only browser in contention" is ridiculous. In your alternate universe, maybe. In the real world, sorry, but no.

    Again, what countless machines?

    There's nothing to deny. There's just hard facts and statistics. Opera is a fast browser, yes, but "fastest"? Nope, sorry.
     
  9. nanana1

    nanana1 Frequent Poster

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2007
    Posts:
    947
    @Eice,

    You asked for source ? One of them is here ---> http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2360989,00.asp dated 5th March 2010 from renowned PCMag.com

     
    Last edited: May 8, 2010
  10. Eice

    Eice Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jan 22, 2009
    Posts:
    1,413
    All I have to ask is: what date is it now, and how many versions of Opera and Chrome have been released since?
     
  11. linuxforall

    linuxforall Registered Member

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2010
    Posts:
    2,137
    And you quote your single case and that don't count either.

    Averages work on number of user base, plain and simple math, if there are 10 more users than Opera, numbers will tilt in favor of Chrome. The fastest machine benchmarked at Peacemaker is Opera and not Chrome, there lies the proof, the number of machines benchmarked using Chrome is way higher and therefore the average.

    You have enough sources to see that the only browser going up in terms of speed against Chrome is Opera and not FF or IE. What other proof do you really need?

    See even with all sources provided you turn a blind eye because you live in your glitzy universe of Chrome. Nothing can be done about that really.
     
  12. Eice

    Eice Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jan 22, 2009
    Posts:
    1,413
    You need to learn how to read. Or, if you already do, you need to start doing it. Peacekeeper's average results are thousands of cases, not data from a single user and computer.

    As for my own results, I merely presented them as an example.

    How old are you, and have you ever learned basic math at elementary school?

    If 1 Opera user gets a score of 2 and a hundred Chrome users get a score of 1, the average for Opera is 2 compared to 1 for Chrome. The number of users don't matter. The percentage of users who get a good score do.

    And if you can't even understand simple mathematics that 8-year-olds learn in school, I'm not sure what to say.
     
  13. Eice

    Eice Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jan 22, 2009
    Posts:
    1,413
    A quick test on my girlfriend's Fujitsu Lifebook, WinXP 32-bit.
     

    Attached Files:

    • test.jpg
      test.jpg
      File size:
      64.4 KB
      Views:
      371
  14. linuxforall

    linuxforall Registered Member

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2010
    Posts:
    2,137
  15. Eice

    Eice Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jan 22, 2009
    Posts:
    1,413
    IE8 faster than Firefox 3.6.2 AND Chrome 4.1, gosh that's a good one.

    How did you doctor those results, or where did you find it from?
     
  16. nanana1

    nanana1 Frequent Poster

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2007
    Posts:
    947
    :ninja:
     
  17. eXPerience

    eXPerience Registered Member

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2009
    Posts:
    98
  18. nanana1

    nanana1 Frequent Poster

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2007
    Posts:
    947
    Thanks, eXPerience :-*

     
    Last edited: May 8, 2010
  19. Eice

    Eice Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jan 22, 2009
    Posts:
    1,413
    1. Opera defeating Chrome at SunSpider is nothing special, since SunSpider is a less comprehensive test than Peacekeeper, lacking arrays, DOM, and rendering tests, for instance. And even then, Chromium still consistently defeats Opera 10.54 (no, that wasn't a typo, 10.54 is the current development builds) at SunSpider.

    2. Sputnik is a compliance test, not a performance test. Opera is #1 at Sputnik? That's great, and I mean that sincerely. What does that say about performance? Nothing. Nada. Zero. Zilch. Zippo.

    3. This feels like the gazillionth time how you preached that you'd "leave it here and will decline to comment further." Too bad that the reality is you just can't resist coming back again and again to keep giving me so-called facts to "prove" that Opera is the fastest browser.
     
  20. doktornotor

    doktornotor Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2008
    Posts:
    2,047
    For next time you announce a new release, could you please drop marketing blurbs such as "The Fastest Browser on Earth !" from the title? This thread should be renamed to browser speed ~ Snipped as per TOS ~ and closed. :mad:
     
    Last edited by a moderator: May 8, 2010
  21. Espresso

    Espresso Registered Member

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2006
    Posts:
    976
    Again, one test on one machine. Even on my machine, Chrome and Opera are in a statistical dead heat on Sunspider. Ironically, PeaceKeeper, the test lauded by the mathematically handicapped Linuxforall as proof of Opera's dominance, show Chrome to have the highest average scores.


    Hilarious. That is so obviously a bogus test. What combo of hardware and software could result in such a combination of freakishly higher than average Opera score and significantly lower than average Chrome score? A certain company wants to see its name up in lights. :rolleyes:
     
  22. Espresso

    Espresso Registered Member

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2006
    Posts:
    976

    I just updated Chrome to 5.0.396.0 and got 233.4 ±3.6% on SunSpider and 9860 on PeaceKeeper.

    With Opera 10.53 I get 257.2ms ±0.5% on SunSpider and 6630 on PeaceKeeper.
     
  23. dw426

    dw426 Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2007
    Posts:
    5,543
    Good God guys, kill it already. Is literally milliseconds or less of browser speed really worth defending each others browser to your final breaths? Get out, enjoy life, be with family and friends. You're not testing breakthrough theories or anything, you're surfing the freaking internet. I really am getting tired of these threads, stop trying to prove who's right and who's wrong and just enjoy whatever browser you choose, damn.
     
  24. m00nbl00d

    m00nbl00d Registered Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2009
    Posts:
    6,623
    This discussion is like: Should I have chocolate cake or orange cake? It happens I like both, so why not eat both?

    Both Opera and Chrome, and Chromium, for that matter, are fast browsers. Have fun with them both. ;)

    Later in the morning I'll make a portable version of Opera, just as I did with Chromium and Chrome. I always have it in my pen! :D
     
  25. nanana1

    nanana1 Frequent Poster

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2007
    Posts:
    947
    The title is worded the way it is as per Opera's on their website.;)

    It is neither intentionally inflated or meant to be provocative.:cool:
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.